Anthemro (final review)

Started by bensei, Mar 08, 2010, 05:19 AM

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Yukino

Wow, extreme prices there... and GMs really have to pay for the server? Seriously? Sounds a bit dubious to me... (on how they handle/hire GMs)
Maybe charge something in-game for service would be better, but I wouldn't agree with paying with real money for it (or maybe put a WAY lower cost than what it is now).
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Quote from: Judgement on Mar 08, 2010, 07:45 PM
Aegis is f*** expensive.

So why use it then? O.o

2k for a server is just... wow.

Zarsheiy

I think we're missing the point here.  The money may very well be used to recover the TC's friend's items, whether or not that's entirely ethical, but--

QuoteNow guess who won the report fight? Yes, my friend did, he paid 2,5k $ (yes thats totally insane) and i got banned on all my chars for item theft

--it also seems like it was the final impetus in his ban.  I don't care if it's $2500 or two cents, the fact that money was exchanged in a deal that led to a player's ban is what, to me, should be impermissible here.

Just think of the precedent this sets for future scamming cases.

bensei

well i knew id get banned, because i knew My friend was going to pay that sum, and the server needs money. in a way i dont even blame them, maybe id have done the same for the amount of 2.5k paid for virtual pixels?

Still a part of me finds it so unfair how this happened.

Just saying btw, before some of their gms trys to label me as liar etc. -now- my ban is justified, cause when i actually got banned, and my friend got his stuff recovered, i happened to log into another account of our sharing community and poring feed anything i could find. maa have been a cheap thing to do, but yea i was quite angry seeing 3 years of my time gone.

Tande

This thread hurts my brain.  There are so many things that don't and will never make sense.  The money, the person complaining they got banned, etc. It's like one big stink pile.

Really, hasn't this story taught you never to trust anyone over the internet?  Seriously...the internet.  I'm sure there's a part in the story Bensei is leaving out that explains a great deal more than he claims what had happened.



BTW: I find it acceptable to charge people for recovering items.  It's their stupidity that made them "lose" them.  It's either they pay to get them back, or don't get them back at all.  Nothing is for free, especially when there is an effort.
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bensei

Quote from: Tande on Mar 09, 2010, 12:24 AM
This thread hurts my brain.  There are so many things that don't and will never make sense.  The money, the person complaining they got banned, etc. It's like one big stink pile.

Really, hasn't this story taught you never to trust anyone over the internet?  Seriously...the internet.  I'm sure there's a part in the story Bensei is leaving out that explains a great deal more than he claims what had happened.



BTW: I find it acceptable to charge people for recovering items.  It's their stupidity that made them "lose" them.  It's either they pay to get them back, or don't get them back at all.  Nothing is for free, especially when there is an effort.

well even tho itd be a bother i can get you the prove i gathered for the support tickets .swt

DeePee

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Quote from: Temjin on Mar 08, 2010, 06:59 PM
Quote from: DeePee on Mar 08, 2010, 05:36 PM
Also, just so you know. aRO has been in financial trouble for some time now, owner sold his own car and yet the server has been up for over 3 years. Running as one of the only Aegis servers out there has its costs, which none of the eAthena server owners here will ever face.

Nobody forced them to use AEGIS. Therefore, it's their own damned fault for putting themselves in a financial hole. And if the admin really did sell his car, I think I'll just let that speak for itself...but then again, I'm guessing he would only do that knowing that the server would make enough money to get another one very, very soon.

Less obvious, but no better than Ancyker.


Actually, someone sorta did. The server owner, Talis, took over the server from someone else to sorta "save" it from dying. Just switching to eAthena is not that easy (my server's been there) and takes up a s*** load amount of time. Sure, you could do a wipe like 90% of the other RO servers out there, but that's rather bad. They're finally working on the switch to eA now, though. I (sorta) understand that the owner did not want to up till now. Aegis gives you the real RO and they are one of the only ones that still give you that. Of course they should've worked on a switch long ago, but as long as the server ran fine~
But yeah, everyone saying "So why use Aegis then, switch to eAthena!" has no idea what all has to be done to make that happen.


QuoteThat's called an account & IP ban.

So you want to account & IP ban players who take a service for granted too easily? Right.

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Yet, he CHOOSES to run an Aegis server. If he switches to eAthena, he wouldn't incur even HALF the costs he has now, if Aegis is really that "intensive" as everyone says it is.

95% of the RO population doesn't even now the damned names of the emulators running the server, let-alone know the difference between Aegis & eAthena.

See above.

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The owner selfishly sold his car so he could continue hosting the server...

Yet, doesn't do item recoveries for free?

So you're saying he should just continue selling his own stuff and do recoveries for free? Right.
Obviously the selling his car thing was not just something he'd do on a regular basis.

QuoteYet he's doing it.

Yes, it's a service. People may choose if they want to recover their items or just suck it up.




And again, I totally agree a real money fee to recover such items is silly (especially $2.5k, wtf) and they should've converted to eAthena a long time ago. But a fee in general is a good thing.

Froibet

http://www.anthemro.com/donate/rewards.php

wow. look at their donations.
$5 to change a character slot?! are you serious?

for a low rate.. doesn't "Lord Kaho's Horns    top headgear, usable by all, +6 DEF, +20 STR/INT/DEX, +20 MDEF" seem damn OP?

DeePee

Quote from: Froibet on Mar 09, 2010, 04:36 AM
http://www.anthemro.com/donate/rewards.php

wow. look at their donations.
$5 to change a character slot?! are you serious?

for a low rate.. doesn't "Lord Kaho's Horns    top headgear, usable by all, +6 DEF, +20 STR/INT/DEX, +20 MDEF" seem damn OP?

Not when everyone has such items.

Back when they still had sponsor offers, it was actually like that. Everyone was able to get said items for a low price, so it was balanced. Nowadays it's extremely hard for a new player to climb up the ladder.

Froibet


balam

http://pc.bot.nu/prontera/index.php?match=%25kaho%25&Submit=Search
yet theyre available to buy w/o having to donate a thing... but still 100m for a newbie would be a pain to get.

@OP why didnt you return him his junk instead of being greedy and keeping the gear claiming was yours (specially knowing you'd get banned w/o any evidence)... if a friend quit and gave me his gear and then suddenly appears and want it back.. guess I would return it (but that's me).
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Tande

I don't feel bad for people who bring these sorts of things upon themselves.
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Denia

Quote from: balam on Mar 09, 2010, 02:31 PM
http://pc.bot.nu/prontera/index.php?match=%25kaho%25&Submit=Search
yet theyre available to buy w/o having to donate a thing... but still 100m for a newbie would be a pain to get.

@OP why didnt you return him his junk instead of being greedy and keeping the gear claiming was yours (specially knowing you'd get banned w/o any evidence)... if a friend quit and gave me his gear and then suddenly appears and want it back.. guess I would return it (but that's me).

I think "suddenly appears" = 1-2 days I believe it was? Quite frankly, I think they were both in the wrong. If Bensei wanted to protect himself, he would have had his friend send in a ticket, stating that he was giving all his items to him and quitting etc. His friend shouldn't have lightly said, "ARGH I quit!" and not really meant it.

A matter of being ethical and a good friend, I would have kept said items for a while, maybe a week or two, rather than sold off the items right away if I really wanted to profit from it. (Personally I wouldn't have sold it at all. But that's just me)

As for the item recovery fee, if I ran the server, there would be no fee. But there also wouldn't be any recovery. Those things are a b****. Fee or not, players never really think twice about giving their information out, and quite frankly, I don't think they'll ever learn.

Kenshi.

Gotta love people actually believing the s*** Ben's saying. :< Ben scammed his "friend", Ben got banned. That's pretty much it.


Uh, and.. The people who go all.. OMG, DONATION ITEMS, OH THE HORROR are cute.


Roon

Skimmed the thread so someone may have said this, but in regards to AnthemROs recovery fees - it IS possible to buy the "money" (ad credits) necessary to get back your items through in-game zeny ONLY. Meaning you absolutely do not have to donate if you want to recover an item.

I lost something once that I lent out, and didn't want to donate to get it back, so I just made money in game and didn't file the ticket to get it back until I saved up enough.

So, donating/paying the recovery fee is completely the player's choice.