MVPing with Star Glad

[Xeighter]

Server stats: 255/120, 196 ASPD and 255 max stat.

So I have a Star Glad [max level] and I am trying to defeat some MVPs, I usually end up dying a lot to MVPs like The Bios 3 ones, Valkyrie Randgris, Ifrit and the likes. Earthquake just cripples me beyond belief!

To make me feel and seem horrible, we have angra to level (it's disabled in PVP and WOE). Our angra consists of +1000 atk, auto-196 ASPD and 1 slot. Each hit retrieves 80% back in health for us. This, technically, should allow me to solo most MVPs, right?

Also, they have implemented @hatredreset and @feelreset, so I can @hate the monsters (+ warm wind) and kill them instantly fast.
However... I can't.

First off, is Thanatos worth putting into my angra-slot? (silly question for most, most likely).
Second, do you have any suggestions to prevail against the monsters named above?
Posted on: Jan 30, 2009, 09:04 amWrong forum, sorry. I thought I was in Job Discussion.

[bleu]

I don't think Thanatos Card is that good in this situation. The DEF of Valk R and Ifrit does not seem very high. Perhaps an Abysmal Knight card might be more useful.


Earthquake (EQ) problem?
Try getting a GTB shield (100% immunity to EQ- official) and Alice Shield (reduced damage from boss type)
Just learn to switch shields, MVPs do not EQ all the time (for Valk R, when its HP is below 30%, and for Ifrit when its HP is below 40%)
Besides, you can see a "green casting bar" above their heads, when they are preparing to use EQ; it should give you enough time to switch gears.

[Xeighter]

I still can't kill it.
Our GTB is 70% reduction, but it still does unbelievable damage, even with Ghostring (if that reduces at all).

They killed me with all their abilities before I can even hit back.

[bleu]

could u paste a screenshot of your SG - Gears/Stats.

How much damage do u do on a Valk R per second?

How much HP do u have?

Are you able to get an MVP party going? Coz EQ damage is reduced with more players on screen. What job class do u have available for a Valk R party?

[Xeighter]

Too small of a server to really get a party going.

Nah, I can't. But I can name it off easily:

Feather Beret (Yeah... I could probably change this)
Sunglasses with a slot (Maya Purple)
Odin's Blessing +4 with GS
Valk's Shield+4 with Cranial/ GTB/ Maya
Angra with _____ (none yet)
Manteau +4 with Sin X
Boots +4 with Moonlight
Double-Rosaries with Ifrit cards.

They're not really MVP material besides the Shield and Armor. But, that's really what I could get.
Isn't there an all-around build that would help me with greatest of the MVPs?

Not sure on damage, but I usually die at 80%, 52% and 43% and then 30-20%.
93 health

[bleu]

Too small of a server to really get a party going.

Nah, I can't. But I can name it off easily:

Feather Beret (Yeah... I could probably change this)
Sunglasses with a slot (Maya Purple)
Odin's Blessing +4 with GS
Valk's Shield+4 with Cranial/ GTB/ Maya
Angra with _____ (none yet)
Manteau +4 with Sin X
Boots +4 with Moonlight
Double-Rosaries with Ifrit cards.

They're not really MVP material besides the Shield and Armor. But, that's really what I could get.
Isn't there an all-around build that would help me with greatest of the MVPs?

Not sure on damage, but I usually die at 80%, 52% and 43% and then 30-20%.
93 health

You are not MVP material. All the gears are basic stuffs - not even overup (make sure your gears are at least +7 if possible +7Valk Shield) or good quality gears (does your server have Diablo set? those are good garments/armors/etc how about other god items - Asperika...NOTE some gears maybe Trans exclusive- there may be modification on your server; allowing u to put them on your SG- ask). But some of the cards are very nice. However, most of the cards you are using are not beneficial when MVPing. Why do u need Maya Purple? Is Valkyrie Rangris going to hide/cloak?


Just for the purpose of VALK Randgris (I assume u have access to all MVP cards on your server)


1. Get rid of that headgear. Feather Beret offers no protection from Angel. At the minimal get a "Halo" 10% protection from Angel monster. But surely your server have other better headgears, seeing that u can get hold of an Angra. Ask what they have? Lord Kaho's Horn? Slotted Sun God's Helm?

2. Get rid of the sunglasses, Valk R is not going to hide. Get something with more STR or Dark Illusion combo card

3. What is "GS" - Odin's Blessing +4 with GS? If it's not GloomUnderNight card, get rid of it. (GloomUnderNight gives extra damage agaisnt Angel/Holy/Shadow/Demon)

4. Valk's Shield+4 with Cranial/ GTB/ Maya... Cranial is not good for this situation. If u are serious at MVP, get Alice card. GTB is also good.

5. Angra with _____ (none yet). Abysmal Knight card (just for MVPing).

6. Manteau +4 with Sin X card - why do u need to cloak when u MVP? Get a Deviling Card in a high overup garment. Remember u get receives more damage from non-neutral attack. You have to be prepared for that. Otherwise a Raydric card. Deviling card works wonders against EQ. Skin of Ventoss [1] maybe? Definitely not a +4 Manteau. Minimum is +7

7. Boots +4 with Moonlight. If they let you play with Angra... what about Sleipnir (god item)? Is it sloted? How about Variant Shoe? No need moonie card. u can use "Running" and Leap if u wanna walk fast. Dark Lord card for more HP/SP

8. Double-Rosaries with Ifrit cards. OO.. 120ATK for each. Sounds nice. I wonder which is better - Megninjard or Ifrit Rosaries?


Once you get all your gears straighten out. Go read and understand your opponent. What skill, when, any cast delay, can it be interrupted? etc.. how to counter..


Then form a strategy. If all else fails, do this. "PORTAL CAST". Lure the MVP near a portal. Attack it... when u see, "green bar on her head", EQ coming. Especially if u cant survive it. Retreat behind the portal. Then come out again... and attack her again. (The portal at Odin's Temple - is a different map; u need some time to reload. But once it reloads, u get a few seconds of invulnerability) or u can just FLYWING if u see the "green bar". It might be good to pre-buff yourself. Assumptio, Bless, etc... (make your armor Holy- BS Sacramenti - maybe u need to Quad client for that - haha/or get the scroll making your armor HOLY) with Stat Foods and other bonus foods/consumable items. Can u duel client?


Assumptio and Powerup from the Valkyrie Randgris may be tricky. Both of these skills should be able to be dispelled. (Assumptio - confirmed, Powerup- i think so too - must have heard it from someone).


Know thy self
Know thy enemy
Know the terrain

Good luck

[MemoZzz]

For stronger MvPs, you usually need all the equip you can get. By this I mean all the reduction for different possible attacks that you might receive. With that said, if I'm not mistaken, earthquake is Earth property. There is a card, which I'm lazy to look for, that reduces damage for earth property attacks. You could use that since you are probably not going to cloak when fighting an MvP. Alice card can be helpful, if not racial reduction shield cards. An increase in HP might increase your chances of survival against earthquake; so, Green Ferus, maybe? There are reduction items that might help against some MvPs, such as Holy Robe, Munak Hat, Sunflower, Halo. Once you get survivability against those skills that 1-hit KO you, I guess it wouldn't be much problem with Angra. Add Abysmal Knight card to your Angra. MDEF stuff might also help in ur survival.

Being a high rate server, why is it that ur equipment is all safe refined?

[Xeighter]

If I have access to godly items and all the cards in the world, Valk would be severely easy.
These are just cards I've obtained from countless deaths and frustration.

GS is Ghostring.

My stats are 255 str
No agi (angra gives 196 ASPD)
150 dex (instant-cast)
The rest is for vit.

And nothing's been modified for Star Glads, what I can't wear still remains unequippable.
Also, there are no custom gear of the sort, so let's not bank on that.

I can get Gloom.
I think I have the Alice Card, so we can check that off.
I have Deviling, but y'see, 50% more from other elementals would be killer, no? Especially if I vs. Ifrit or something.

I can't get Dark Lord
Variant is worn by reborn classes

MemoZzz: You're thinking of Giearth. And Earthquake is neutral by the way: http://rode.doddlercon.com/db/quake/eqcalc.php
In any case, I tried with my Lord Knight at quite high-vit and he still died two attacks after the Earthquake.

Why wouldn't it be?
I really dislike why people assume these kinds of things from high-rate servers. The server may have a higher max-level, but it's the same mechanics and iRO. Armor breaks very easy, cards drop at 0.01% (or something like that), Hats and gear must be obtained through MVP and Monsters, etc. etc.

Geez...

[Omi]

On a high rate it's much easier to get equipment to o/r, low rates i'd understand if you only had ONE of those things and couldn't get any more, but it's so easy to recycle through gears.

I just logged on infamousRO, and in 10 minutes I got a +9 Cranial Guard.  I don't see why everything you have is +4.

Your build is terrible.  Just because you get max ASPD with an item doesn't mean you should remove agi.  You need flee, 300 flee means that you most likely wouldn't getting hit all the time and you could regain your HP with angra faster than you're losing it from the mobs.  Why do you need instant cast on a SG?  Remove most of that dex and put it in LUK for criticals/FSK, or more vit.

Regarding your gear;  Get a gloom card - ghostring does nothing in PvM. 
Don't use a feather beret, use a magni's cap (STR +2) or -10% damage items to the respective elements.
All monsters attacks are neutral, except from when they use skills or element themselves.  If you want to use Devi, you'd need to learn to switch EQ fast against MvPs, or just stick with raydric.
Valk shields aren't the best shield you can get - against MvPs like valkyrie, using the stone buckler set would make you recieve a lot less damage than you would using a valk shield.
Ifrit Rosaries won't do much in MvPing, and you can get a lot better accessories, like Meg's.
In your boots, get a green ferus card.  You don't need to walk faster, you have high jump and running for that.
Refine ALL of your gear to +7 or higher.  Your gear, as it stands, is terrible. 

If you want to avoid being nailed by EQ, have some characters behind you on the MvPs LoS.   That way the damage gets 1/2'd, 1/4'd, 1/6'd etc

ps on high rates RO becomes easier it's not like official servers because you can;t get angra etc cards aren't 0.01% drops otherwise i wouldn't get 2 vanberks, thara, raydric and green ferus in 30 minutes, mvps and monsters are easy what with 255 max stat and theres a reason for the skill FCP.

/sigh

[Xeighter]

On a high rate it's much easier to get equipment to o/r, low rates i'd understand if you only had ONE of those things and couldn't get any more, but it's so easy to recycle through gears.

I just logged on infamousRO, and in 10 minutes I got a +9 Cranial Guard.  I don't see why everything you have is +4.

Your build is terrible.  Just because you get max ASPD with an item doesn't mean you should remove agi.  You need flee, 300 flee means that you most likely wouldn't getting hit all the time and you could regain your HP with angra faster than you're losing it from the mobs.  Why do you need instant cast on a SG?  Remove most of that dex and put it in LUK for criticals/FSK, or more vit.

Regarding your gear;  Get a gloom card - ghostring does nothing in PvM. 
Don't use a feather beret, use a magni's cap (STR +2) or -10% damage items to the respective elements.
All monsters attacks are neutral, except from when they use skills or element themselves.  If you want to use Devi, you'd need to learn to switch EQ fast against MvPs, or just stick with raydric.
Valk shields aren't the best shield you can get - against MvPs like valkyrie, using the stone buckler set would make you recieve a lot less damage than you would using a valk shield.
Ifrit Rosaries won't do much in MvPing, and you can get a lot better accessories, like Meg's.
In your boots, get a green ferus card.  You don't need to walk faster, you have high jump and running for that.
Refine ALL of your gear to +7 or higher.  Your gear, as it stands, is terrible. 

If you want to avoid being nailed by EQ, have some characters behind you on the MvPs LoS.   That way the damage gets 1/2'd, 1/4'd, 1/6'd etc

ps on high rates RO becomes easier it's not like official servers because you can;t get angra etc cards aren't 0.01% drops otherwise i wouldn't get 2 vanberks, thara, raydric and green ferus in 30 minutes, mvps and monsters are easy what with 255 max stat and theres a reason for the skill FCP.

/sigh

Admins say differently.
And a guard? +9? Isn't that one of the easiest things to upgrade? How did you get a Thara Frog card in 10 minutes?
Mind if I call on your s***? I'm slightly skeptic on the fact that you downloaded the client to prove a point and to get 5 cards in 30 minutes. How did you level so decently fast?

Meg quests aren't in the server yet, I think. I don't know.

[Sarin]

I checked rates on Infamous, 80/80/20. So...getting a char, if it is hunter, ready on raydrics is on these rates a matter of 10 minutes but...+9 guard, 5 cards on 20x rates? Don't bullsh*t me, unless really lucky you need a few dozen items to get one to +9. And guard have drop highest 1% on these rates from any monster you might possibly take on within 30 minutes of starting. 5 cards? Another crap...I'm playing on 25x rates, and still it takes me usually some time to find what I need.

Oh and edit: you really dunno what are you talking about. Monster normal attacks are not neutral. They are non-elemental, that is difference. Because of weird way this works, raydric and deviling reduce it, but GR does not.

[CookieEater]

ghostring does nothing in PvM. 

Not true. Ghostring does not reduce monster attacks because they are non-elemental, rather then Neutral (Raydric reduces both, BTW) and therefore can hit Ghost property with 100% damage. Just like Homunculi do.
Earthquake is a Neutral element spell and should be reduced. Do note that it does insane amounts of damage - this is on purpose! It's to force you to get a party...

[Xeighter]

ghostring does nothing in PvM. 

Not true. Ghostring does not reduce monster attacks because they are non-elemental, rather then Neutral (Raydric reduces both, BTW) and therefore can hit Ghost property with 100% damage. Just like Homunculi do.
Earthquake is a Neutral element spell and should be reduced. Do note that it does insane amounts of damage - this is on purpose! It's to force you to get a party...

Yeah, I figured that EQ would be the backbone to party-making, no way to avoid this, eh? I could get GS with Deviling and GTB, but I'd be open to all other attacks and such, no?

Sarin: Thanks.
20x rate isn't affiliated with the card-drop rate I believe. I believe the card-drop rate is way-way lower. No guarantees.
Posted on: Jan 31, 2009, 09:15 amAs a reminder: I'm looking for a basic MVP build that will allow me to kill Bios 3 and Ifrit/ Valk

[bleu]

This is a screenshot of someone from official iRO. It's not a Valkyrie Randgris, but an angel boss monster - Skeggoid.


Notice that his gears are "Overup". Thats good.

His built is also very special. STR increases your damage. DEX and LUK also increases damage. Just need to balance them. DEX is to HIT, not for instant cast. I believe if you Soul Link yourself, then cast UNION, your WARMTH will NEVER MISS (therefore, you don't need that much DEX), you can even do "Marrionete Control on your SG and give yourself free DEX stats if u duel client), and spreading the other stats between LUK and VIT/AGI. (if u can get very high FLEE against a MVP, thats good... if you cannot get high FLEE, then u need high VIT to tank it). Btw, learn your SKILLS... u have a max level SG, you should know how to play it effectively. I believe Union does have a badside to it, if your HP drop below 20%, u die. (I think VIT may be better- coz u might need to pot like crazy...) ANd on the good side, u get a FREE "Incantation of Sammurai effect" - piercing DEF. BOYAH! - just noticed that he even have Ka buffs - Kaizel, Kaahi on him.


Oh... Learn /Battlemode. It's very helpful. and learn to POT.


Get good quality stuffs- ranked white slims. A few other Yggberry just for emergency. And for SP as well. (VIT will help your pot efficiency).

If you want to avoid being nailed by EQ, have some characters behind you on the MvPs LoS.   That way the damage gets 1/2'd, 1/4'd, 1/6'd etc

Very good suggestion. You can even summon Mercenaries to "spread the EQ damage"

[Sarin]

hm...on the side note, why SG? There are better classes for MvPing I think. Especially on 255 level server