Gunsligers

Nightlinks · Mar 03, 2009, 10:05 PM

Hey everyone, Nightlinks here.

I play on the FeelRO server (50/50/25) and my main is a level 93/67 GS.
I can safely say that my guy can kick some butt and take some names and very easily hold his own against unstoppable odds. (High DEX, ASPD, Gatling, etc...)

However, it seems that the Gunslinger class is just generally looked down upon. Just today, I was looking for an abbey party, I spotted a room looking for a 89++ character. After joining, the party leader asked my job. I replied and the response was "Oh...." Then, "No.... sorry..."

I mean, really?

What's up with that?

Dean Stark · Mar 03, 2009, 10:56 PM

Well compared trans classes GS's are quite subpar to them, if you take a look at their base HP, bonus job stats (+7 Luck?!?!?!?!) and overall performance, GS's aren't quite qualified for serious parties, let alone abbey parties. I also main a GS you know, but if you want a party type character, then pick something more appealing like Sniper. Ppl are so iffy about this extended jobs thing and yeah, it's so annoying. If you look at it from their side, GS's are more of a burden than an ally...

But pvp wise, they can do quite well when played properly. With the right equips and equip switching - a +10 Bloody Rose and a +8-10 Double Bloody Western Outlaw and a Cranial Valk Shield.

fluidin · Mar 03, 2009, 11:56 PM

Not this again?

TL;DR: The GS is subpar when in the hands of a skilled veteran as compared to Trans classes.

Meaning, no matter how skilled you are in owning other trans classes noobs, when faced with someone of equal skill using trans jobs, you'll get owned. Not only in terms of killing, mind. Usefulness too.

Dean Stark · Mar 04, 2009, 12:35 AM

Fine GS's and GS players suck. RO should only be played by elitists who WoE and whatever. Everyone should go and l2p and those who don't are noobs who don't even deserve a bit of respect. Happy now?

Cielte · Mar 04, 2009, 12:39 AM

Quote from: Dean Stark on Mar 04, 2009, 12:35 AM
Fine GS's an GS players suck. RO should only be played by elitists who WoE and whatever. Everyone should go and l2p. Happy now?

Wow, way to take something too far.
I do remember on an old 255/120 \ 255 high rate how Gunslingers were able to par well with trans. though.

fluidin · Mar 04, 2009, 12:58 AM

Quote from: Dean Stark on Mar 04, 2009, 12:35 AM
Fine GS's and GS players suck. RO should only be played by elitists who WoE and whatever. Everyone should go and l2p and those who don't are noobs who don't even deserve a bit of respect. Happy now?

Wrong. Firstly, GS'es don't suck. They are just sub-par to trans classes. GS players, whether they suck or not, is up to the player himself. RO can be played by anyone, it's a fun game. Just don't expect to be good at WoE/PvP if you aren't skilled.

Your last sentence does not make sense. As long as you try your best, you deserve at least some respect. If you have not made the effort to l2p, and yet still whine, of course you don't deserve respect.

Dean Stark · Mar 04, 2009, 01:43 AM

Honestly in most servers, GS players, whether good or not, don't get respect even if they earned it.

CookieEater · Mar 04, 2009, 03:55 AM

Gunslingers are hated because Gravity seriously neglects them. No [4]-slotted weapons, only a [3]-slotted Rifle (and who uses Rifles?), and they miss out on all the Trans-only gear (most important ones being the Tidal Shoes+Wool Scarf for +10% HP.

If they'd just get access to some better gear then the bad job bonusses/HP mods wouldn't be such an issue. I'm against [4]-slotted Handguns, though. A [2] slotted already makes for heavy Desperado fun, so [3]-slotted would suffice, in my opinion.

Anti-Static Foam Cleaner · Mar 04, 2009, 04:43 AM

Because expanded classes sucked, suck, and always will suck.

Dean Stark · Mar 04, 2009, 05:05 AM

Much more if 3rd jobs come out... Oh well, that doesn't stop me from playing one seriously.

CookieEater · Mar 04, 2009, 06:17 AM

Quote from: Dean Stark on Mar 04, 2009, 05:05 AM
Much more if 3rd jobs come out...

Same goes for Super Novices/Teakwon Classes...

bleu · Mar 04, 2009, 07:10 AM

I think most players lack the understanding and appreciation of Extended classes. I think a GS could perform well in Cursed Abbey with silver bullets.

I am embarrassed to say that I may have acted like the Party Leader. My first party with a Soul Linker was a welcoming surprise. I was very hesitant to include him into the party, thinking he will be more of a "Leech" than any help at all - killing at Niffheilm. He proved me wrong and had a very unique built - melee Soul Linker with Dagger of Counter.

Don't give up. Just enlighten others about your true capabilities.

Loki · Mar 04, 2009, 07:34 AM

If you had DoTA sound effects in your server you could catch people's attention. An example;

Dean Stark just got a Triple Kill[3]
Dean Stark is on a killing spree[3]
[Gunslinger's] is OWNING[3]!

Enemy: I got pawned....
Enemy's friend: By whom?
Enemy: You saw his name...
Enemy's friend: I meant, what job?
Enemy: GS
Enemy's Friend: *orgasms*

So its a matter of popularity as well. In my server, Dancer/Minstrel could AV with 15k+ overall damage and it's spammable. Not long after that, people kept coming in with Dancer/Minstrel. I guess these extended classes just need more popularity.

Dean Stark · Mar 04, 2009, 08:23 AM

Too bad the whole popular newb friendly tactics is to go Edp/SB/Lnk and Asura.

And Loki... Could i quote that and make it my siggie?

Littlechan · Mar 04, 2009, 09:31 AM

Quote from: Dean Stark on Mar 04, 2009, 08:23 AM
Too bad the whole popular newb friendly tactics is to go Edp/SB/Lnk and Asura.

And Loki... Could i quote that and make it my siggie?

don't forget sacrifice =O

Dean Stark · Mar 04, 2009, 09:39 AM

But... Newbies don't wana lose HP...

Snarkowski · Mar 05, 2009, 08:26 AM

Personally, I just feel like ranged classes in general win at RO. Gunslingers included. Fighting at range is remarkably newbie-friendly, because you tend not to get hit. Especially if you pick your targets with a little care, such as leveling up on immobile enemies from way the heck outside their attack range.

I remember playing a Gunslinger on a high-rate server. Sure, MVP's could one shot me. If they reached melee. But I could critlock them with blinding aspd to the point that I could solo anything that didn't shoot back. No MVP cards, no super rare drop equips. Just point and click.

Dean Stark · Mar 05, 2009, 08:57 AM

Yes, ranged characters are newbie friendly; gunslingers on a low-rate are not. Why? Cause as soon as a new GS player posts something on their server's forums or asks ingame(about builds, equips, etc), they'd unexpectedly get flames, l2p's(learn-to-play's) and be forced to switch jobs. Happens a lot.

Sigh... We're in an age when "pros" tell ppl what to do and those who don't follow get flamed/insulted. RO ain't "fun" no more. It's all pro this and noob that. It's quite sad...

Loki · Mar 05, 2009, 09:23 AM

Quote from: Dean Stark on Mar 04, 2009, 08:23 AM
Too bad the whole popular newb friendly tactics is to go Edp/SB/Lnk and Asura.

And Loki... Could i quote that and make it my siggie?

You already did. And I wouldn't mind anyways. If you play GS, you to l2target noobs. Because if you try to challenge a pro, be prepared to get disappointed. Especially if its Novices who comes into PvP. You don't want to mess with them. Their mouths of fury internal bleeds your ears.

Nightlinks · Mar 06, 2009, 04:49 PM

I suppose this has shed light on the topic.

However, I'm still using my gatling for PvM :3

1.5kdmg/s without buffs isn't bad.

XfrozoneXX · Mar 09, 2009, 01:37 AM

On this SHR server i play, i am actually is a pretty strong G vsing sins and opther jobs. BUt maybe thats just on SHR because they actually have 4 slotted equips and 2 slotted shields.

Anti-Static Foam Cleaner · Mar 09, 2009, 02:43 AM

Quote from: Nightlinks on Mar 06, 2009, 04:49 PM
1.5kdmg/s without buffs isn't bad.

It is.

In pure dmg/s, crit sin will outdamage linked EDP SB. Do you see critsins in WoE?

The point is not to deal as much damage as possible, it's to deal as much damage as possible in shortest amount of time, otherwise people will simply outpot it.

That's why any successful GS(If they even exist) are all vit-desperado.

blackgh05t · Mar 09, 2009, 03:32 AM

Quote from: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Mar 09, 2009, 02:43 AM
Quote from: Nightlinks on Mar 06, 2009, 04:49 PM
1.5kdmg/s without buffs isn't bad.

It is.

In pure dmg/s, crit sin will outdamage linked EDP SB. Do you see critsins in WoE?

The point is not to deal as much damage as possible, it's to deal as much damage as possible in shortest amount of time, otherwise people will simply outpot it.

That's why any successful GS(If they even exist) are all vit-desperado.

Crit Sin -> Constant DPS
EDP SB -> Burst DPS

Desperado is effected by Bragi and is blockable by SW making it a good alternative to melee DPS in a defense. If not by AD, then by Desperado.

Littlechan · Mar 09, 2009, 04:40 AM

Quote from: XfrozoneXX on Mar 09, 2009, 01:37 AM
On this SHR server i play, i am actually is a pretty strong G vsing sins and opther jobs. BUt maybe thats just on SHR because they actually have 4 slotted equips and 2 slotted shields.

I'm sorry, but we all know SHR is known as "all-broken place"

XD

Quote from: Nightlinks on Mar 06, 2009, 04:49 PM
I suppose this has shed light on the topic.

However, I'm still using my gatling for PvM :3

1.5kdmg/s without buffs isn't bad.

using full buster?

Anti-Static Foam Cleaner · Mar 09, 2009, 05:05 AM

Quote from: blackgh05t on Mar 09, 2009, 03:32 AM
Quote from: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Mar 09, 2009, 02:43 AM
Quote from: Nightlinks on Mar 06, 2009, 04:49 PM
1.5kdmg/s without buffs isn't bad.

It is.

In pure dmg/s, crit sin will outdamage linked EDP SB. Do you see critsins in WoE?

The point is not to deal as much damage as possible, it's to deal as much damage as possible in shortest amount of time, otherwise people will simply outpot it.

That's why any successful GS(If they even exist) are all vit-desperado.

Crit Sin -> Constant DPS
EDP SB -> Burst DPS

...which is what I said. Okay.

Dean Stark · Mar 09, 2009, 07:18 AM

Full Buster = very very very very very very very Last Resort

Littlechan · Mar 09, 2009, 07:42 AM

Quote from: Dean Stark on Mar 09, 2009, 07:18 AM
Full Buster = very very very very very very very Last Resort

why...? I think full buster can one hit some people?

CookieEater · Mar 09, 2009, 08:18 AM

Quote from: Littlechan on Mar 09, 2009, 07:42 AM
Quote from: Dean Stark on Mar 09, 2009, 07:18 AM
Full Buster = very very very very very very very Last Resort

why...? I think full buster can one hit some people?

It blinds you with a 10% chance. Blind=no targetting=dead.

Guest · Mar 09, 2009, 09:24 AM

/effects? XD that or you can hex your client to remove the effect....

but i dont suggest the latter of the two ^^;

Patapon · Mar 09, 2009, 04:55 PM

Quote from: Littlechan on Mar 09, 2009, 07:42 AM
why...? I think full buster can one hit some people?

It has a huge delay after using it, during which you're sort of "dur hur hey i sure did shoot ya *dies*"

Use it to finish off people, if anything. I'm more for the Lever-Action Rifle crit-based build personally.

Anti-Static Foam Cleaner · Mar 10, 2009, 04:51 AM

Quote from: Snarkowski on Mar 05, 2009, 08:26 AM
Personally, I just feel like ranged classes in general win at RO. Gunslingers included. Fighting at range is remarkably newbie-friendly, because you tend not to get hit.

Pneuma. Enjoy your useless class.

Oh, and newbie-friendly? I don't know man. When I was playing at Valk I obviously spent a lot of time in Payon 1. Even when I moved on to 2 and 3 I was still chilling out there sometimes, buffing people who proved not to be bots. And in that time I've seen one(1) Archer who actually used the range of his class to his advantage. That is shoot-move away-shoot, repeat.

The rest? Rush blindly into enemy, start shooting, keep shooting as the enemy walks up to you and starts raping your 1VIT character, spam Novice Red Potions like crazy, die nonetheless, repeat.

fluidin · Mar 10, 2009, 10:48 AM

Again, with geared GS'es, I've never seen them take out other decently geared people in one-hit, even with FB. If you're taking out the noobs, it doesn't really matter anyway.

I've always favored a guild with a few members who know what they're doing rather than big guilds with newbies. Each of my guild's 3 SinXes can actually solo clear some 10+ player guilds. Granted that we are extremely geared in comparison :X Not that I look down on newbs, no. If I'm free, I'll still help them on their way to becoming better players.

@ASFC: Bleh. Not everyone has Pneuma. And good Snipers can find ways around it, or move to a different target. Not saying that good Snipers are plentiful, though.

Anti-Static Foam Cleaner · Mar 10, 2009, 02:13 PM

Quite the contrary. EVERYONE has Pneuma.

Patapon · Mar 10, 2009, 03:32 PM

Quote from: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Mar 10, 2009, 04:51 AM
Pneuma. Enjoy your useless class.

counters to classes ive never heard of this before

CookieEater · Mar 10, 2009, 05:13 PM

Quote from: Patapon on Mar 10, 2009, 03:32 PM
counters to classes ive never heard of this before

And now in English, please?

fluidin · Mar 11, 2009, 06:31 AM

Quote from: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Mar 10, 2009, 02:13 PM
Quite the contrary. EVERYONE has Pneuma.

The Pneuma auto-cast card isn't exactly reliable.

Also, if you have Profs on both sides LP-ing, bleh.

Anti-Static Foam Cleaner · Mar 11, 2009, 08:15 AM

No, I meant, everyone plays with a slave HP anyway.

Patapon · Mar 11, 2009, 07:28 PM

Quote from: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Mar 11, 2009, 08:15 AM
No, I meant, everyone plays with a slave HP anyway.

unless they're pretty good at switching DC or it's another person teaming i don't think they can pneuma that quickly

Nightlinks · Mar 13, 2009, 11:50 AM

Pneuma is actually one of least favorite things ever. As my main is the GS. So, I give it lots of credit. I tend to stay away from the HP/Tank combo in PvP because of that -.-

SamielFox · Mar 26, 2009, 03:27 PM

my only problem with Gunslingers if it could be called a problem is i've never been able to find a way Ebinroch.i would like to become one but nobody i've asked will tell me how to get there.

Sarin · Mar 26, 2009, 03:41 PM

If you would look as rms database first...

horo · Apr 03, 2009, 04:49 PM

There are videos around of a Gunslinger in WoE on euRO killing loads of people with Desperado, which does really big damage with proper gear, and being the main damage dealer in an Abyss party, killing mobs faster than I've seen an advanced class do. Desperado is amazing, it just needs a Scholar or huge supply of sp items.