first time playing RO need help build Gunslinger

[dokebi]

Hello all, this is my first time playing RO. I play in iRO chaos server.

I have been researching which class to play and gunslinger seems like very fun class to play.
I heard you can't reset your pts once you put in, unless you pay yhe real money...
I hate to replay my character because I raised the wrong stats and skills. I wouldn't mind learning from my mistake and replay the class, but my play time is very limited and I would like to reach high lvl and play the end game.

That being said, I need help from Veterans of RO. What is a good build for gunslinger and which skill pts should I put in and in what order? Mostly for PVM. 
Wielding dual gun looks very cool, but is it good as the looks? Should I go for shotgun?

Thanks in advance. Hope to play with you all in RO! 

[Relics]

I've seen alot of people just saying "What card is good for x class plz reply!" or "How do i kill X?", so i've made a mini guide for those who don't know how to ask for help, since custom items, drop rates (MvP Cards in low-rate servers are extremely rare), and etc can differ, these are some of the things you need to specify (some are optinal)

1) Job Class (We aren't psychics)
2) Build (Specify, many classes tend to have over three builds)
3) Item Rate (Likewise, you are not going to see Full +10 MvP Carded Equipment players on a LR)
4) For What (PvM,PvP,MvP,WoE)
5) Against What (Specify the classes or mobs that you are going against)
6) Custom Items (1337 Wing can give +10 Allstat in a server and give +400 Allstat in another)
7) Other Customizations (Some admins can meddle with skills and items)
Max Level,Stats and rates ( Yeah...)

Anyway, follow these steps and do not use "plz,pls,plx" or another form of internet abbreviation as it irks some people, also try to use the Search Feature before asking or look at here: http://write.ratemyserver.net/

If you don't find a guide that fits your need then use the above format and ask your question and some members would be glad to answer.

- What are the server Rates
- Custom items

etc..

[dokebi]

Hey thanks for the reply, but I am sorry I don't understand the half of the things you mentioned or quoted from someone...

what do you mean by server rates? Like I mentioned above, I am playing In iRO chaos server...are there more servers that has the same name as iRO chaos server? I only saw Iris, Loki, and Chaos servers that I can play on...Max lvl in iRO servers are lvl 99.

also I think I answered like half of the quote you wrote...like I am going for gunslinger, dual gun or shot gun depending on experience from the veteran players, it's for PvM.

If there is any veteran RO player who can help me.

Thanks. 

[Sarin]

A little help with terminology

rates-how fast you gain base exp/jobexp/item drop compared to kRO (and some iRo servers, I think some have a bit increased rates).
customs-items that are available on server but not on kRO/iRO
max level, stats etc...some, mostly mid and higher rates (take a look around and you will see what does it mean) increase these, normally max stat is 99 and so is base level. iRO sticks to kRO, so there is no problem with that for you.
Limited play time and you don't like to pay for playing? It's your choice, but I think iRO is not for you. There's a whole world of private servers, and most of them are free to play.

Now let's get to GS. It's a fun to play class, but it's really only for fun. It's no match for normal rebirth classes. If you wanna have some fun and don't want to compete with other people, it's ok for you. But most MMORPGs are sooner or later about PvP and such stuff, and GS is not the best for this.
Most used builds are revolver and shotgun ones. In every case, you need to have dex rounded to multiplies of 10 including equip, and as high as possible. Then there are two possibilities, agi and vit build, just get it to max, and those few remaining stat points will go to int. Agi is pure PvM, and I wouldn't recommend even entering PvP or WoE with it. Vit builds are meant for PvP a bit too, and are based around smart using of your skills.
Revolver builds aim for Desperade and Rapid Shower as their main skills, shotguns go for shotgun frenzy.
I won't give you exact stats, use simulator at ro.doddlercon.com/db/calc/ to make the build yourself depending on equip you can get. For skills, use skill simulator athttp://ratemyserver.net/skill_sim.php.

[Guest]

xD guys, he said he plays on iRO chaos
so thats 1/1/1 + kafra shop items

its official 99/50 non trans
99/70 trans
99/99 super novice
no customs nothing weird like that

x3 he doesn't play on a private server, so im assuming thats why hes a little confused with the terms

[bleu]

Try these links below
http://forums.irowiki.org/forumdisplay.php?f=27 (more Loki and Valkyrie)

http://iro.ragnarokonline.com/forum (more Chaos and others)


They will be better able to assist you.

I heard you can't reset your pts once you put in, unless you pay yhe real money...

There is a FREE skill reset NPC in Prontera, just outside the Toolshop. But you have to be base 40 and below. If you are above base 40, you need to use a Neutralizer to reset skills. For stat reset; more restrictions are applied and it also cost more.

That being said, I need help from Veterans of RO. What is a good build for gunslinger and which skill pts should I put in and in what order? Mostly for PVM. 

I think it will be hard for you since you are new at this. Gunslingers are known as Extended Class, they are not a class most people (including Gravity) takes seriously. Your initial problem will be finding zeny to buy lots of bullets. Then you will notice that your SP pool is considerably smaller than others - thus requiring SP healing items. However, Gunslingers do have an abnormally high damage output for a Non-Trans class.

[Guest]

i don't see why he can't help here him?

few things from the guide section on RMS:
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[bleu]

i don't see why he can't help here him?

For starters, you got iRO Chaos rates wrong! It's not X1. And most private servers have not fully implemented Battleground gears which are really nice for GS from what I heard. So, lets just say we are either "out of touch" or it's beyond our expertise.

[dokebi]

Thanks all for the advice and especially to JJJ for links to the builds. 

I became gunslinger and loved monsters die before they can hit me. Kiting is always fun, but since I was hunting at where monsters doesn't attack me unless I attack them(poporing island), so kiting might be hard in the future where monsters are aggressive...Later on with GS, do you just take the hits and spam health potions while shooting or do you keep on kite them? I am putting every stats into DEX at the moment, but is it better to put some into VIT and maybe to INT before maxing out DEX?

Thanks all again. Happy hunting.



p.s-I just killed master poring!!! That thing was huge with porings following him!!! I kited that thing and popped it. 

[SilverStream~]

Later on you will depend alot of the Desperado skill, it's a very powerful one.


Also, when you start mixing around with different builds/weapons, you should know the different grenades are really powerful when used right.

[ragnadiktus]

I'd suggest VIT-INT-DEX...

STR - needed for decent weight
AGI - not really needed cuz GS class has low attack and ASPD compared to their bow counterparts...
VIT - everyone needs some HP...GS has low HP anyway but you could atleast get some DEF
INT - Skill spamming...Use your super high DMG skills to your advantage
DEX - Attack and Hit...
LUK - As said earlier...you'll be spamming skills rather than simply attacking....

I also suggest using Revolver as main weapon due to its many skills and bring a shotgun along if you'd like for damage purposes...

For skills...I'd choose:

Coin flip 5
Last stand 1
GS panic 1
Increase Accuracy 1
Single action 10
Snake eyes 10
Disarm 5
Bullet shower 10
Desperado 10
Cracker 1
Crowd control 10
Full blast 10
Spread attack 5

Hope I helped...XD

[LiteX]

I'd suggest VIT-INT-DEX...

STR - needed for decent weight
AGI - not really needed cuz GS class has low attack and ASPD compared to their bow counterparts...
VIT - everyone needs some HP...GS has low HP anyway but you could atleast get some DEF
INT - Skill spamming...Use your super high DMG skills to your advantage
DEX - Attack and Hit...
LUK - As said earlier...you'll be spamming skills rather than simply attacking....

I also suggest using Revolver as main weapon due to its many skills and bring a shotgun along if you'd like for damage purposes...

For skills...I'd choose:

Coin flip 5
Last stand 1
GS panic 1
Increase Accuracy 1
Single action 10
Snake eyes 10
Disarm 5
Bullet shower 10
Desperado 10
Cracker 1
Crowd control 10
Full blast 10
Spread attack 5

Hope I helped...XD

I really wouldn't put in STR ,as topic creator is playing a 99/70 server, and wtf at no agi, my build for Hunters/Gunslingers is usually 99 Dex, 99 Agi and the rest in either INT or LUK, my fave weapon for GS is usually a gatling gun for it's high attack speed,

[horo]

Gunslinger don't need agi because they'll only ever use Desperado for anything. Max dex, High vit (total of 80 would be great for WoE, but 40 or 60 would be fine otherwise) and at least 30+12 int, which should help with sp recovery coupled with appropiate gear. I recommend posting/browing on the irowiki forums, as they're far more knowledgeable than a private server forum such as this, and there might be equip specific to your server like the battleground stuff.

[ragnadiktus]

I really wouldn't put in STR ,as topic creator is playing a 99/70 server, and wtf at no agi, my build for Hunters/Gunslingers is usually 99 Dex, 99 Agi and the rest in either INT or LUK, my fave weapon for GS is usually a gatling gun for it's high attack speed,

STR : For carrying stuff...bullets, SP pots, equip switching, etc...
AGI : I dont think GS need AGI cuz they pale in comparison to hunter's ASPD and base attack...
LUK : You've got suuuuuuuuper powerful skills...why crit?
Gatling Gun : Yes...high ASPD...but very very low damage...XD

[LiteX]

I really wouldn't put in STR ,as topic creator is playing a 99/70 server, and wtf at no agi, my build for Hunters/Gunslingers is usually 99 Dex, 99 Agi and the rest in either INT or LUK, my fave weapon for GS is usually a gatling gun for it's high attack speed,

STR : For carrying stuff...bullets, SP pots, equip switching, etc...
AGI : I dont think GS need AGI cuz they pale in comparison to hunter's ASPD and base attack...
LUK : You've got suuuuuuuuper powerful skills...why crit?
Gatling Gun : Yes...high ASPD...but very very low damage...XD

Bullets aren't that heavy, unless you are carring 30000 of each, and wtf are you getting at comparing a GS and hunter's ASPD? And wtf at gatling gun being low at damage? Get a good 99 DEX and AGI Crit-Based gunslinger and give him a gatling gun, Topic creator is saying he plays on a x1.25/x1.25/x1.25 Server without healer or anything plus, this is his first job, so SP Pots are pretty much out of the question for now,  Gunslingers do have high modifier skills but they however have very good buffs, Desperado sucks in comparision of a DPS agi-gatling gun Gunslinger, plus, long-range is pretty much one of the gunslinger's best weapons, Desperado is only good when you are being mobbed (With nowaday's mobs with high difficulty and good rewards really outdo mobbing), DPS Agi-Based GS are also good because there are no healers on officials, that means no sp-healing or anything like that.

[horo]

I'd say don't start off as a gunslinger for your first class rather than make an absolutely worthless agi based build that can't do anything and won't ever get parties. Desperado GS are good DD in AL3 parties, and you can still use Full Blast in TV1 like >this. With such a build you'll do a sizeable amount of damage in WoE, too, whereas any agi build will die in seconds due to their horrible HP mod. While you probably can't read the text I encourage you to look at the pictures of euRO GS in >this thread, where you'll see nothing but dex/vit/int Desperado GS, without a single agi based one for a good reason.

[Dean Stark]

For skills...I'd choose:

Coin flip 5
Last stand 1
GS panic 1
Increase Accuracy 1
Single action 10
Snake eyes 10
Disarm 5
Bullet shower 10
Desperado 10
Cracker 1
Crowd control 10
Full blast 10
Spread attack 5

Lessie now, the skills listed here sum up to 79 skill points, whereas a Gunslinger only has 69 points to mess with. Plus, I do not see any Chain Action on this list since lvl 3 is the prerequisite for Rapid/Bullet Shower.

[LiteX]

I'd say don't start off as a gunslinger for your first class rather than make an absolutely worthless agi based build that can't do anything and won't ever get parties. Desperado GS are good DD in AL3 parties, and you can still use Full Blast in TV1 like >this. With such a build you'll do a sizeable amount of damage in WoE, too, whereas any agi build will die in seconds due to their horrible HP mod. While you probably can't read the text I encourage you to look at the pictures of euRO GS in >this thread, where you'll see nothing but dex/vit/int Desperado GS, without a single agi based one for a good reason.

Can't see first link, but I have a pic about my build (Which is in a very-low quality screenie)


Maximize to see my stats and equipment
AGI/DEX/Crit GS builds are NOT weak builds as you guys mentioned, they can do ~1k Damage at 190 ASPD easly on Atroce(And other mobs) on a low-rate server (That was the test server w/ legit stats and equipment), GS have a crappy HP mod because they are made mainly for ranged, not leeroy-jenkins-ing up to the boss without any decent strategy and pot spamming (Hell, low-agi pistol users won't be able to carry shields nor evade, that means you are deadmeat), plus, Agi/Dex/Crit builds are cheaper than that one that you suggested because of pot spamming, the agi/dex and crit WILL require some sp-recovery items for buff though, and by your survival comment, GS cannot equip shields without de-equiping their guns, and to desperado you need to close range the target(Desp is about 7x7 area around you), and each transclass have a skill that can easy kill non-thara users easly at low range (Cart Termination, Spiral Pierce, Sonic Blow, Sacrificial Ritual, etc), But AGI builds can flinchlock a transcharacter into place, before saying about Madness Canceler and Gatling Fever's movespeed reductions, you will need a good tank, as an Expanded Range class sucks at tanking (A LK with alice and raydrik is a pretty good tank), but my point is, you will die alot by trying to kill a high-tier mobs due to their habit of spamming AoE attacks, while as an AGI/DEX/Crit build, you could easly stay in a safe area shooting a target monster without worrying about things like Storm Gust or Pulse Strike that the mob was intended to use at the target, most mobs nowadays are big and hard to put down exp givers so desperado won't be as much as good as Agi/Dex/Luk build in endgame, and about your parties thing, usually some people avoid calling expanded classes for their MvP parties, anyway, the choice is the topic creator's, those screenies on rocards are mainly about PvM mobbing, no MvPing so far, Full Blaster is still a good choice but it has a very nasty after-cast delay and a 65 SP cost at maximum level, taking out that the 23k in kasa was a lexed hit(proberly) and the dancers "A service for you" was used to cover it's SP flaw, anyway, this is just my opinion, shun other builds just because your build is "the best" and you think it's flaws are minimum, but I prefer to use GS as a Archer/Hunter/Sniper type. Eveen though most people on euRO think that desp is the best,

[horo]

Alright you've clearly never played WoE on a server with skilled players or a serious population.

So you can do 1k damage a shot versus atroce, that'll get outdamaged by anyone, but there's probably no competition on the servers you have played so far.
So you'll be hitlocking a single character in WoE doing no damage, that should work great for the 2 seconds before a Gypsy screams and you'll spend 90% of the very short time that you'll stay alive with no vit stunned.
You clearly underestimate that Desperado is one of, if not the strongest AoE skill in the game. >Here< are some videos to correct your view. Furthermore you can search for Gunslinger WoE on youtube, where you'll find nothing but Vit Desperado builds (ignore the p server crap obviously)

The only expanded class that's avoided for parties is Ninja, every other is very popular on official servers both for PvM and WoE. There's a screen somewhere of a level 6x or so Gunslinger MVP'ing Dracula etc., and many more since on euRO there's currently a MVP arena event, but hopefully you won't be stubborn about this and maybe read up on official server forums and smarten up It's not that 'most people on euRO think that Desperado is best', it's something not a single experienced player would deny.

[Sarin]

And you clearly never read the topic before starting to insult people. First post clearly stated it's PvM build he's looking for.
1k damage/hit with 190 aspd is not bad for single char, but apparently you didn't realize we're really talking about single char, not "single char with three supports behind his donkey".

[LiteX]

Alright you've clearly never played WoE on a server with skilled players or a serious population.

So you can do 1k damage a shot versus atroce, that'll get outdamaged by anyone, but there's probably no competition on the servers you have played so far.
So you'll be hitlocking a single character in WoE doing no damage, that should work great for the 2 seconds before a Gypsy screams and you'll spend 90% of the very short time that you'll stay alive with no vit stunned.
You clearly underestimate that Desperado is one of, if not the strongest AoE skill in the game. >Here< are some videos to correct your view. Furthermore you can search for Gunslinger WoE on youtube, where you'll find nothing but Vit Desperado builds (ignore the p server crap obviously)

The only expanded class that's avoided for parties is Ninja, every other is very popular on official servers both for PvM and WoE. There's a screen somewhere of a level 6x or so Gunslinger MVP'ing Dracula etc., and many more since on euRO there's currently a MVP arena event, but hopefully you won't be stubborn about this and maybe read up on official server forums and smarten up It's not that 'most people on euRO think that Desperado is best', it's something not a single experienced player would deny.

Chill out, I was just voiceing my opinion, and I have played WoE before, things is, nowadays so many servers are sprouting up 24/7 that it is impossible to find servers with a good quantity of players and without overpowered donators (I used to play qRO LR until it died), so lately i have only been going on small WoEs, not to mention I took 2 halfyear breaks, I do agree that desperado is a good skill, still, It's been some time since I have seen a good WoE, and some of the lasts servers had alot of "elitism" towards GS and Ninja, so i have been kind of rusted on their abilities, I will try some stuff and test their real potential on the test server when I have time, anyway, isn't the MvP arena event majorly screwing up euRO's economy right now? (I heard that just these last days about 9 MVP cards appeared on Odin)

Anyway, I was just defending my opinion of "Gatling Gun is not crap" from ragnadiktus

PS: Sarin, I did not insult anybody, who were you pointing at?

[horo]

I apologize for sounding overly aggressive :< No harm meant!

Yea, the event has been running for a week now and it had an instant spawn valk. Since their player skill level and organization is very impressive, it was killed dozens of times per hour resulting in hundreds, if not over a thousand valk armors, which players were waiting for for months previously (they were worth about 90-100m before).

Also lots of MVP cards even despite their low droprate... I think they're up to 20+ right now. The euRo GM tried to defend the event at first, but now they changed some spawntimes and took out GTB card from the arena GTB etc. They're a bit hush hush about the changes exactly. Lots of great cards like Amon Ra dropped. Haitii card is currently being auctioned and should sell for around 2b at least.

While not everyone will agree, I definitely think the big guilds profit from this the most and it's certainly throwing the economy out of balance by widening the gap between rich and poor even more, while simultaneously making MVP seem less of a challenge or special, which is a shame considering there aren't many challenges left in the game to begin with.

[ragnadiktus]

Never said anything about healers...

And..I only said what's on my mind...XD

[fluidin]

I would still prefer MA-ing SinXs instead of Desperado spammers :X

[ragnadiktus]

For skills...I'd choose:

Coin flip 5
Last stand 1
GS panic 1
Increase Accuracy 1
Single action 10
Snake eyes 10
Disarm 5
Bullet shower 10
Desperado 10
Cracker 1
Crowd control 10
Full blast 10
Spread attack 5

Lessie now, the skills listed here sum up to 79 skill points, whereas a Gunslinger only has 69 points to mess with. Plus, I do not see any Chain Action on this list since lvl 3 is the prerequisite for Rapid/Bullet Shower.

Oh....sorry...dang...I read from iRO so I never saw any prerequisites...and sorry I lost count....st00pid me...XD

[LiteX]

I apologize for sounding overly aggressive :< No harm meant!

Yea, the event has been running for a week now and it had an instant spawn valk. Since their player skill level and organization is very impressive, it was killed dozens of times per hour resulting in hundreds, if not over a thousand valk armors, which players were waiting for for months previously (they were worth about 90-100m before).

Also lots of MVP cards even despite their low droprate... I think they're up to 20+ right now. The euRo GM tried to defend the event at first, but now they changed some spawntimes and took out GTB card from the arena GTB etc. They're a bit hush hush about the changes exactly. Lots of great cards like Amon Ra dropped. Haitii card is currently being auctioned and should sell for around 2b at least.

While not everyone will agree, I definitely think the big guilds profit from this the most and it's certainly throwing the economy out of balance by widening the gap between rich and poor even more, while simultaneously making MVP seem less of a challenge or special, which is a shame considering there aren't many challenges left in the game to begin with.

Wow, atleast the GMs are trying to do something about it

And now that i have done some testing, I agree, choose a VIT+DEX+INT Desperado build, Desperado can do over 10k on monsters w/ elemental advantage, thats a lot more than an agi/dex build one