Role of a WS in WoE?

Started by Danull, Jun 27, 2010, 03:07 PM

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Gankz

FE WoE is nothing compared to the mobfest that is SE xD

In FE I play joke characters for kicks. Stuff like bolter profs, shield boom pallies, DS snipers lol.



Nico

Considering that you're more interested ground control, your best bets are either Champion or Assassin Cross.

Champions are the kings of ground control. Their role in woe SE is to kill any incoming players or any players that may have gotten past the defense [assuming you're defending] or any players inside the mob. While you're not doing ground control [when everything is clear], you're generally supporting your guild by helping keep Pneuma on the barricades and spamming Blessing on Creators.

Assassin Crosses are pretty useless in WoE:SE. The only reason they're actually there is to break the Emperium otherwise they're pretty much useless. Some guilds use them to repair Guardian Stones. They're okay at ground control but a Champion is better.

Fantaxy

CT ws's are good.
Support WS is better but boring.

Support WS are for srs guilds :S and you are bound to get bored at this build.
While on the other hand CT ws's are effective in woe as well.
You can insta-gib them on low rates.

PS: Ro is never gonna be srs bsns :S

fluidin

Quote from: Nico on Jun 28, 2010, 03:40 PM
Considering that you're more interested ground control, your best bets are either Champion or Assassin Cross.

Champions are the kings of ground control. Their role in woe SE is to kill any incoming players or any players that may have gotten past the defense [assuming you're defending] or any players inside the mob. While you're not doing ground control [when everything is clear], you're generally supporting your guild by helping keep Pneuma on the barricades and spamming Blessing on Creators.

Assassin Crosses are pretty useless in WoE:SE. The only reason they're actually there is to break the Emperium otherwise they're pretty much useless. Some guilds use them to repair Guardian Stones. They're okay at ground control but a Champion is better.

? considering the number of pitched LP battles in WoE:SE, a GT built, or even 1vit devoted sinx would do a lot just GT-ing :/ not useless at all

@Fantaxy: that's cos most of us play pservers lol. on offics they actually have sth to compete for. and then again thr are a lot of pserver guilds that strive to be the best worldwide.
Quote from: Jeon on Jun 04, 2009, 12:02 PM
XileRo is the only HR I know that has a reasonable PvP system. I did watch the RWC like you said, all I see is people spamming the room like every other gang fight there is in RO.

DeadOwnz

It all depends.
If you are hevealy gear'd with mvp cards u could be suicide whitesmith and run into the guilds party and use autoattack with Baphoment, Valk Rand, And stormy knight.
Thats how one fo my guildies does it on essenceRO
Or you could always o CT whitesmith or full support whitesmith
Pre-RO

Nico

Quote from: fluidin on Jul 02, 2010, 02:42 PM


? considering the number of pitched LP battles in WoE:SE, a GT built, or even 1vit devoted sinx would do a lot just GT-ing :/ not useless at all


The second the SinX gets Detected/HD'd, and dispelled, he'll pretty much drop from all the Meteor Storms and a 4k + MATK Storm Gust. The DPS with Grimtooth in a 99 agi build isn't as great as you think it is. It'd probably kill a Wizzie or two [if they got dispelled], but really anything aside from wizzies would only die if they weren't potting.

fluidin

@nico, mm... in no mood to type out replies right now. this shld b enough

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAliSiOLj-E

watch and see for urself
Quote from: Jeon on Jun 04, 2009, 12:02 PM
XileRo is the only HR I know that has a reasonable PvP system. I did watch the RWC like you said, all I see is people spamming the room like every other gang fight there is in RO.

Fantaxy

Dont get me wrong I played Iro too but meh, I could understand FS profs  and FS bios but WS? It just really is so tiresome to spam repair and go support at woe in ws. >:

fluidin

yeah, i agree its pretty tiresome..

but then again, some ws skills (buffs) are really good, or even necessary for the good guilds to have on hand. namely FAR.
Quote from: Jeon on Jun 04, 2009, 12:02 PM
XileRo is the only HR I know that has a reasonable PvP system. I did watch the RWC like you said, all I see is people spamming the room like every other gang fight there is in RO.

Fantaxy

I could understanf ws buffs for breakers in woe.
But by far they're durations are rather too short to be even useful enough except if your gonna find yourself spamming then which by then adds to tiresome all over again.

Chuck

Quote from: fluidin on Jul 03, 2010, 06:11 AM
@nico, mm... in no mood to type out replies right now. this shld b enough

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAliSiOLj-E

watch and see for urself

lol. They got no snipers to use detect?Spam detect, hit that sinx and he's down. Go for champs or if you want a long range AoE then ganba meteor storm/sharpshoot the hell out of em. That WoE vid sax.

Quote from: Fantaxy on Jul 04, 2010, 01:03 AM
I could understanf ws buffs for breakers in woe.
But by far they're durations are rather too short to be even useful enough except if your gonna find yourself spamming then which by then adds to tiresome all over again.

All jobs are terribly tiring if you use them efficiently and at their max potential. I would prefer playing WS rather than HP or pally, definitely WS is easier to play.

fluidin

lol i think u shld watch that vid again.

some are low-1vit sinxs, and perma-devoted, meaning AD/SS doesn't even hurt. ganban MS is pretty time consuming/difficult to setup on the go, so ganban SG is used instead, but as you can see LP is being spammed. watch closely. it's being spammed continuously at instantcast.

detect.. kinda a waste of time sometimes. if their sinxs spread out all u can do is spam detect and try to lock out one sinx from GT-ing, which is quite a waste of manpower. also rmb that detect has a max 9-cell range. if ur sniper is too upfront, he can easily be picked out and killed by creos. also, in that vid when the sinx gets detected he just speedpots away and in again later.

champs? wat. anw, multiple detect+FAS spam is really not too feasible. you're gonna waste those slots for snipers when there are better classes to use?
Quote from: Jeon on Jun 04, 2009, 12:02 PM
XileRo is the only HR I know that has a reasonable PvP system. I did watch the RWC like you said, all I see is people spamming the room like every other gang fight there is in RO.

Fantaxy

#27
Counting the huge decrease on long-range power referring to snipers.
What fluidin said is quite true.
While I might agree Sinxes are over-rated they are too viable to be useless.
I wont call killing multiple enemies at once nor will I call emp-breaking useless.
Plus hide+grimtooth+whatever sort of arrow is ownage really :|.

All classes are tiresome while I might agree with this but theres a somewhat fun included in those you don't play a game to be stressed out and be tired.
Hell we all can do that irl like what 1 minute?

Chuck

Well then to sum things up. It basically depends on the population of the WoE community as well as the customizations on the server.

For a big woe population(guilds consisting around 50-70 per se), I'd rather see other jobs taking the slots rather than sinxes.


For a small one, most probably a sinx will be efficient.

Nico

@fluidin

Sorry but, that is not even a high tier woe.

There are two types of wizards now, Full Support [24/7 Gabantein] and DD wizards.

Considering most GvGs take place at a considerable range, the second this SinX gets dispelled, he WILL drop. Low vit will make potting efficiency quite horrible especially with his low HP.

It's quite obvious you're inexperienced with GvGs [thinking SG wizards will be using Gabantein lol].

Also, I highly doubt that SinX was running 1 vit [he wasn't wearing a Dark Bash] otherwise he would've been stunning like no tomorrow. 1 vit SinXs are simply too fragile [especially if they can't react fast enough to swap the second they're dispelled or detected]. Even if they were devoted [and they should be if they're running 1 vit], it's simply too risky to lose a SinX because he wasn't able to out pot the damage he takes.

Mindbreaker + Meteor Storms [considering at least 3 wizards are doing meteor storm] and a 4k+ Matk storm gust hurts, a lot. Not to mention the FAS spam from other snipers as well. Running a 1vit SinX simply isn't smart.