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Offline appolian

wiz question
« on: May 24, 2007, 01:50 AM »
im playing in a mid rate sever with 255 max stats and 250/120 max lv.
we have 4 slots on head gears and the rest equio are noaml.

ok, i know wiz is not the best pvp/woe job in an rate n w/e. i still play it :P

can anyone give me suggestions on what euips/cards and techniqs for pvp/woe works better for wiz in my mid rate sever, thanks ! :)

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Offline Pandora

Re: wiz question
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2007, 08:59 AM »
I never played a midrate, but in my book a wiz is a great pvp/woe character! Wiz are good with croud control, because they have lots of area skills (stormgust, meteor storm, LoV & heaven drive).

Whats the required dex for instacast on your server?
Are cards easy to get? normal monster/miniboss/mvp?

If possible you wanna get insta cast, then of course lots of int for your damage, I imagine you have some stats left since its max level 250, I would invest in vit to resist status, atk and overall to have more HP.

Like I said, I never played midrate, so I'm just throwing suggestions here :P
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Offline BaNiSHeDHeLL

Re: wiz question
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2007, 09:27 AM »
I never played a midrate, but in my book a wiz is a great pvp/woe character! Wiz are good with croud control, because they have lots of area skills (stormgust, meteor storm, LoV & heaven drive).


There's a HELL of a lot more Wizards can do than that. o_O
They're pretty fun in PvP; frost driver' the guy, set up 4 fire pillars behind him (2x2 square not too far away) and cast jupitel thunder so the ice element will make it do more also the player just exploded in fire pillars when he gets shocked back.
You can use Quagmire to cancel buffs and slow a player down, then fire wall to block them from you and use small spells like frost driver or stone curse so you'll have time for the mighty spells.

This is just opening the book, there are MANY MANY ways to have fun with a Wizard-Try finding some and post here.

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Offline Emeralda

Re: wiz question
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2007, 10:41 AM »
If you can get instant cast (150 dex) than you will be mostly using Storm Gust and Jupiter Thunder.The first one will freeze your enemies and the second one will keep them at bay. So try to get 150 dex and max ASPD and the rest goes to int. If you already have the required dex, try to focus your gears on defence (GR/Thara/Raydric/Deviling cards for example).

Offline appolian

Re: wiz question
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2007, 11:07 AM »
the requirement for instant cast is 150 for my sever and cards drop rate are 20x of normal rates.

im just wondering can wizard really beat pallis/sinx/LK or even sniper if they were prepared?

coz they would have cards preventing from freezing and sonte cursed... so dose wizard ends here?

btw GTB only gives 60% magic resistance on my sever which is GOOD for wiz = =;

Offline Emeralda

Re: wiz question
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2007, 11:12 AM »
Just spam JT and SG. If GTB was nerfed so much than the odds are on your side.

Offline appolian

Re: wiz question
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2007, 11:25 AM »
but LK's shield boom can killme in secs and sinx's skill r so powerful >_<

there's really unlikely i can just kill them with sg and jt spamming though Q_Q

Offline Dais

Re: wiz question
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2007, 11:42 AM »
... the point of insta cast is that to make you able to knock back and deal damage to your enemy rapidly in which case make them unable to act
if they are able to hit you it means that you are not doing it right (unless they have GTB)

Offline appolian

Re: wiz question
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2007, 11:57 AM »
hmm so i guess JT is the only way?

Offline BaNiSHeDHeLL

Re: wiz question
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2007, 12:04 PM »
These are all helpful suggestions but you don't want to seem like a cheap bastard neither.
Quagmire is a very useful skill and gives you a little bit of time to think about what your next move is.


PS:No Wizard has killed my Paladin, ever.

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Offline appolian

Re: wiz question
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2007, 12:11 PM »
@BaNiSHeDHeLL  yea that's what it thought, it seems to be impossible for wiz to kill palli ever x.x and LK i guess or sinx maybe xD

wiz get killed wayu to easily that's the thing >.<

any suggestion on equips/card?

i dont really know if its and good idea to put too much in vit coz i would be pwn be ice pick or thanxx card ( forgot how to spell it)

is it better to put agi or luk for some flee or PD?

Offline BaNiSHeDHeLL

Re: wiz question
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2007, 12:20 PM »
You can always get Berzebub cards for -30% Cast; Either do the quest in Prontera(If it's there) or do the Airplane Quest to kill Gremlins(OR tell your GM to spawn Gremlin in the next event ;) ).
Whisper card might be of use, also kukre which goes on a brooch[1](If you're not using your clips for Berzebub cards).
If you have Berzebub than you won't need so much Dex which will allow you to boost up other stats so you can some what even out Luk and Agi. For now put it in Agi.

PS(Yup, another xD): I'm not too keen on Wizards but this is a bit of common knowledge.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2007, 12:23 PM by BaNiSHeDHeLL »

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Offline appolian

Re: wiz question
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2007, 12:32 PM »
whisper sure is a nice card to have  :P but i also have a smokie card so only i slot left for whisper  :P

in fact i have tried Berzubub card..even with 149 dex u will still need cast time with the card, which means it is still better to have 150 dex if possible coz it really has a difference >_<

thanks for the ppl who gave me suggestions and more suggestions r welcome! :)

i guess there's just no way for wiz to pwn most job xDD

btw i have been trying mvp rooms with my lvl160 wiz with instand cast and i got pwn so badly  :(

anyone know which is the best job (or good in mvp room and easiest to lv up) so i can try to make some progress on my income ;p?

Offline Emeralda

Re: wiz question
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2007, 12:43 PM »
Last time I checked, on low rate servers wizards owned if they had IC. And they are no good for most MVPs cause they can't get frozen. Altough farming Orc Warriors from the Orc Lord/Hero (I forgot whichone) is quite easy for IC wizzies from what I saw. In pvp it's usually Safety Wall (prefferably with mistress card) and JT+SG. One of those will work for sure even if they have GTB (the nerfed one on your server). It's just important that they won't get near you (either freeze them with SG or knock back with JT). And if you can get ahold of cards that reduce damage from demi-human and neutral element it will be a quite nice addition. Spamming JT and SG with 190 ASPD and 150 dex = pure pleasure~

Palladins - make sure they don't get close to you; same for everything else; Snipers are a different case, they can't have GTB (unless they rely only on FA)  so it's 'who spams skills faster'.

Offline BaNiSHeDHeLL

Re: wiz question
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2007, 12:46 PM »
Okay, I noticed this before and never bothered asking but, why would a Wizard need high attack speed? o_O

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Offline Emeralda

Re: wiz question
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2007, 01:09 PM »
To reduce the delay between casting JTs and SGs. It allows spamming of those spells, altough I don't know if it works like that on all servers.

Offline Pandora

Re: wiz question
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2007, 01:13 PM »
Quote from: BaNiSHeDHeLL
This is just opening the book, there are MANY MANY ways to have fun with a Wizard-Try finding some and post here.
Agreed, I wasnt saying that croud control is all they are good for, its one of its uses.

It's ok if you cannot kill all class, thats the way the game is suppose to be, every class got their weakness.

Whisper card? Agi? Luk? on a wiz?!? Why?

Get 150 dex for insta cast thats for sure, lots of int too.

Ice pick blocks real defense, not defense added by vit as far as I know.
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Offline appolian

Re: wiz question
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2007, 08:08 PM »
@pandora well im thinking of investing into agi/luk coz i alreay have instand cast

oh wow i never knew ASPD hhelps with reducing delay! how great is that :D :D :D

btw can safety wall block shield boomerang?


so b/t tao gunka/or lord/ghostering  which is better for a wiz?

and also same question b/t dark lord/amon ra

Offline BaNiSHeDHeLL

Re: wiz question
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2007, 09:09 PM »
safety wall defends against like 8 attacks

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Offline Dais

Re: wiz question
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2007, 07:50 AM »
in fact i have tried Berzubub card..even with 149 dex u will still need cast time with the card, which means it is still better to have 150 dex if possible coz it really has a difference >_<
berzebub only usefull if you have low dex
berzebub can only reduce casting time (which means you will never be able to insta-cast if you only relly on it)

Offline Glenn

Re: wiz question
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2007, 08:07 AM »
safety wall defends against like 8 attacks
Normal attacks, Mamonite, Cart Revolution, Cart termination, Sonic Blow, Bash, Magnum Break, Bowling Bash, Brandish Spear, Pierce, Spear Stab, Holy Cross, Smite, Envenom, Backstab(with dagger), Sightless Mind, Ragnaing Tripple blow, Raging Quad Blow, Raging Thrust, Asura, Vital Strike, Traumatic Blow, Meteor Assault, Martyr's Reckoning, Raging Palm Strike, Glacier Fist, Chain Crush Combo, Tornado Kick, Roundhouse Kick, Heel Drop Kick, Counter Kick, Neerly all Star Gladiator Skills, Haze Slasher, Shadow Slash...

I'm sure I'm forgetting a few.. or could be wrong about 1 or 2.. but its obviously more then 8
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Offline BaNiSHeDHeLL

Re: wiz question
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2007, 09:29 AM »
... No I meant it defends from 11 SINGLE blows.

Like hitting someone 11 times?
« Last Edit: May 25, 2007, 09:48 AM by BaNiSHeDHeLL »

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Offline Pandora

Re: wiz question
« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2007, 09:46 AM »
I would still get at least 80 vit if I were you, to avoid status like stun and silence (you might still get them but with 80 vit they wont last long), if you wanna be funny protected from stun/silence get 97 vit.

Agi is great to reduce delay, I would not invest in luk however.

Satefy wall blocks 11 attack at level 10, from memory, im not 100% sure. It would not block shild boomrang however. Get a pneuma accessory if those exist of your server, that would block shield boomrang, not too mention those sniper/clown/gypsy's attacks.
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Offline Dais

Re: wiz question
« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2007, 11:44 AM »
if you want a great way to prevent silence what about green pot
wastin all that stat point for vit... i'd rather spent it on agi

Offline Pandora

Re: wiz question
« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2007, 11:48 AM »
With their level being so high, 70 points into vit and you can still manage to gets lots of agi. Stun is really the worst thing for a mage class, and those extra hp help imho.
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Offline Emeralda

Re: wiz question
« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2007, 02:33 PM »
Get an Orc Hero card to prevent stun.

safety wall defends against like 8 attacks
... No I meant it defends from 11 SINGLE blows.

Like hitting someone 11 times?

Depends on the level of the skill and if it was changed on the server.
« Last Edit: May 25, 2007, 04:56 PM by Emeralda »

Offline Pandora

Re: wiz question
« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2007, 04:37 PM »
I think you mean orc hero card (for the stun protect).
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Offline appolian

Re: wiz question
« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2007, 10:11 PM »
hmmm Pneuma card!(Errende card) !! another great card to use ^^ gona start hunting for it now  ;)

hmm infact i do have orc hero and maduk card(trying to get mistress right now  :-X) , and i have vit up to 30 right now n might just stop investing vit.

how ever my plan now is to max out int first then agi i guess? coz i heard we can have at least 2 max stats at max lvl(dunno even if it applys when i have dex at 150 :P)

im lv160 now, dose anyone know anything about trainning ground for mid rate sever for my lv? we dont have volcano and kiel's machine factory yet T_T

Offline Emeralda

Re: wiz question
« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2007, 10:11 AM »
You don't need AGI at all if you have 2 doppelanger cards in your rod.

Offline appolian

Re: wiz question
« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2007, 10:39 AM »
lmao xD

so if i can get 2 dopelanger cards then what stats should i invest?  str  ;D ;D

Offline Emeralda

Re: wiz question
« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2007, 10:44 AM »
Int and Dex (till you have 150). After that either Vit or if you need a lot of potions on you than some Str.

Offline BaNiSHeDHeLL

Re: wiz question
« Reply #31 on: May 28, 2007, 08:55 AM »
lmao xD

so if i can get 2 dopelanger cards then what stats should i invest?  str  ;D ;D


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Offline appolian

Re: wiz question
« Reply #32 on: Jun 02, 2007, 01:30 AM »
dose more aspd really help with lesser delay on magic?
coz i have increase my aspd from 154 to 180 but i barely feel any difference >_<
is it just for some sever?

Offline Emeralda

Re: wiz question
« Reply #33 on: Jun 02, 2007, 07:57 AM »
Not all spells are influenced by ASPD. I don't remember now which ones do though. JT for sure, I heard that also SG but I never had a chance to test it.

Offline Pandora

Re: wiz question
« Reply #34 on: Jun 04, 2007, 10:56 AM »
JT has no delay.

Agi will help you cast stormgust faster. But I'm not sure it's dependant on atk speed, as in, doppel card might not influence it.
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Offline Emeralda

Re: wiz question
« Reply #35 on: Jun 04, 2007, 12:38 PM »
JT has no delay? Dunno, I just say what I saw or heard from others. I never played a wiz for real. And from what I heard it would be possible to cast 4 SGs with IC and ASPD 190 before the animation of the first one ended (checked on aRO).

Offline Glenn

Re: wiz question
« Reply #36 on: Jun 04, 2007, 01:20 PM »
Nothing but 'Magical Strings/Poem of Bragi' is supposed to effect delay(unless the skill's delay is effected by aspd). For spells aspd -shouldn't- effect the delay.

As in Aspd doesn't naturally decrease delay, it's only for specific skills.
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Offline finnith

Re: wiz question
« Reply #37 on: Jun 04, 2007, 10:39 PM »
You should not be spamming skills such as Storm Gust anyways. Really, all you need to do is freeze 'em and then JT them, both of which have little delay. Of course you need to try that before doing anything else, i.e. if they don't freeze, you know they must have Marc armor.
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