Mage guide plz!

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jackcyj1

I totally nid a mage guide n plz include the

skills tat nid to be added n stats to be added
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yC

it depend if u wanna be a sage or wizard ...

Adam

server rates would help aswell, since some tactics are quite pointless on higher rates..

but anyway,
mostly int
dex for fast cast (150 instant cast)
vit for staying alive
no luck
no agi
no str

and get a good rod. evil bone wand is a goodun.

Majora_younglink

Quote from: Adam on May 16, 2008, 07:08 AM
server rates would help aswell, since some tactics are quite pointless on higher rates..

but anyway,
mostly int
dex for fast cast (150 instant cast)
vit for staying alive
no luck
no agi
no str

and get a good rod. evil bone wand is a goodun.

I disagree highly on that build. No mage build is complete without at least some agi if you plan to solo like ever, otherwise an int and dex build could work I guess. And evil bone wand is about the lowest tier in rods for mages. >.>

Also skill specialization would help, as builds also depend on that.

Pandora

I never had any agi on my mage o.o, I rely on monsters not touching me, that is either firewall/frost diver or making sure the monster is dead before it reaches you XD

I usually build my mage with fire. Firebolt 10 + Firewall 10 are my priority then I can go hunt mandragora -> flora -> geographer. I could also kill Argiope, Soil (and mantis), etc.
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yC

Quote from: Pandora on May 16, 2008, 05:27 PM
I never had any agi on my mage o.o, I rely on monsters not touching me, that is either firewall/frost diver or making sure the monster is dead before it reaches you XD

I usually build my mage with fire. Firebolt 10 + Firewall 10 are my priority then I can go hunt mandragora -> flora -> geographer. I could also kill Argiope, Soil (and mantis), etc.

that's exactly what i think and where i would go except i would add in alarm and clock for some extra "excitement" since geo & soil could be boring after some time.

Firewall 10 is a must for me, for mage going for wizard i am not sure if lvl 10 firebolt is good.  When i used to make wiz everyone just go for lvl 4 firebolt and cold bolt 5, frost diver 10 then lighting bolt 4 just to get into all 3 elements, if you are going for job 50 u could get more bolts or get NB 4 then Soul strike 9 ... or even open safety wall then level it more later.

Pandora

Yeah, if your server doesn't have reset then don't get firebolt 10, get it at 4 only. It's just longer to level that way sadly. I usually reset once I get to wiz.

Another fun and easy way to level mage is with lightning bolt over at ice cave, but you need someone to tank them because your firewall/frost diver will not affect them.
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Quote from: Pandora on May 16, 2008, 11:32 PM
Yeah, if your server doesn't have reset then don't get firebolt 10, get it at 4 only. It's just longer to level that way sadly. I usually reset once I get to wiz.

Another fun and easy way to level mage is with lightning bolt over at ice cave, but you need someone to tank them because your firewall/frost diver will not affect them.

Thats why you get some agi. >.>

Personally I never liked making the generic int/dex build as at higher levels you NEED a tank and a party to do anything. Course everyone has their taste I suppose.

jackcyj1

Alright thx guys! So i shld add Dex to 150 so tat it is instant casting n int of cuz its a must for depend on MAttks n vit for health rite....  Okay thx! ;D
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AlviN

str mage like combat mage!!!
pack that sheet!

Majora_younglink

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Quote from: AlviN on May 17, 2008, 11:58 PM
str mage like combat mage!!!

Wouldn't that be more sage like than combat mage? Also I've never seen a str oriented Wiz, I kinda wanna see one. :)

AlviN

Quote from: Majora_younglink on May 18, 2008, 07:21 AM
Quote from: AlviN on May 17, 2008, 11:58 PM
str mage like combat mage!!!

Also I've never seen a str oriented Wiz, I kinda wanna see one. :)

well i remember my friend b4 whipping tharas n rodas @ lvl 50 bcoz he's str mage...  :D ;D
pack that sheet!

Pandora

Yeah to each their own ^_^ I still prefer dex/int and I have no problem leveling at high level, I'm 97 wiz and I like to party but I can also solo.

lol @ combat mage. Actually with a dagguer of counter you can do some nifty damage and you crit at 90%!
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Quote from: Pandora on May 20, 2008, 08:36 AM
Yeah to each their own ^_^ I still prefer dex/int and I have no problem leveling at high level, I'm 97 wiz and I like to party but I can also solo.

lol @ combat mage. Actually with a dagguer of counter you can do some nifty damage and you crit at 90%!

Isn't that only with the refined version? And that counter makes me think "NERF!" really loudly in my head.

Pandora

It's both, check the item script they both have 90%, the refined one has more atk however.

http://ratemyserver.net/index.php?page=item_db&item_id=&iname=Dagger+of+Counter&itype=-1&islot_sign=-1&islot=-1&ij%5B+%5D=-1&i_ele=-1&i_status=-1&i_race=-1&i_bonus=-1&idesc=&iscript=&sort_r=0&isearch=Search

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Those classes have no special bonus with daggers, so it's not too unbalanced imo XD
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DjTeddySpin

Personally, i think it would be a fail if the monsters manages to hit your mage, in a sense, if your mage has to combat the monster head on melee... If you plan on having sufficient agi distribution to the extend you can dodge monsters, you'd end up greatly reducing your damage and cast time. Unless you're talking about 30-50 agi, then it's an even waste of points because you ain't gonna be dodging higher level monsters even when you're level99. then the intention of i-evade-monsters will not work. not to mention wasting 30-50 agi points. and anything more than 50 will make u either make u cast too slowly or deal low damage.
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Quote from: DjTeddySpin on May 21, 2008, 12:22 PM
Personally, i think it would be a fail if the monsters manages to hit your mage, in a sense, if your mage has to combat the monster head on melee... If you plan on having sufficient agi distribution to the extend you can dodge monsters, you'd end up greatly reducing your damage and cast time. Unless you're talking about 30-50 agi, then it's an even waste of points because you ain't gonna be dodging higher level monsters even when you're level99. then the intention of i-evade-monsters will not work. not to mention wasting 30-50 agi points. and anything more than 50 will make u either make u cast too slowly or deal low damage.

Not really, having anything above 1 agi helps in the long end of things by dodging at least some of the monsters attacks. Who cares if you can do 10 k+ spells if you can't even dodge a single attack when a cloaked/hiding monster/player attacks you.

And casting slowly and doing low dmg is opinionated.

Pandora

To each their own, when it comes to wizard no one can agree, we all have a different approach to it, some love soul strike while others find it the most useless skill, same with ice wall it's a love/hate opinion usually. I personally don't put any agi on my wiz and for my style of play it works nicely. If you like it and works well for you, all the more to ya ^_^
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superja

I just tested a few wizards in biolabs 3.

While I am not a wizard god, I did try these, and here are the pros and cons:
INT/DEX-->Crazy high damage and it's fast. Only problem? Screw you, Kavac... But seriously, if you party at all, this one is the best.
INT/DEX/AGI--> Tried a few different balances, and I have to say that although the idea of, "I cast okay and I dodge sometimes" is great in theory, you either don't have enough AGI to dodge anything or enough DEX to cast efficiently.
INT/AGI--> Call me crazy, but this was fun. Yeah, the cast is brutal. Safety wall on, throw up some fire/ice walls, then start your cast. If anything manages to hit you, there's a good chance you'll dodge. Wizards normally don't tank the biolabs, but this one can to some extent.

So I've come to the decision that if you want to have a great mage, don't hybrid because there's no point. That's just my opinion.
Ordinarily, I'd put up a VIT build but it would be the most fail mage I've ever seen unless it was STR+VIT Dagger of Counter built.
Because you can't dodge so your cast keeps getting interrupted, your dex is low so your cast is brutal, and seriously, mages do not get great hp or regen even with buckets of VIT, so ignore that junk.

DjTeddySpin

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Quote from: Majora_younglink on May 21, 2008, 04:16 PM
Not really, having anything above 1 agi helps in the long end of things by dodging at least some of the monsters attacks. Who cares if you can do 10 k+ spells if you can't even dodge a single attack when a cloaked/hiding monster/player attacks you.

And casting slowly and doing low dmg is opinionated.

Well my point about having AGI is exactly what superja have mentioned. Even if you are hybrid, it is useless when you are in high level areas (which in fact where we aim to be) because you just don't dodge enough.

If investing in AGI to the extent you can still have enough INT hit magically(as in high enough int to hit a regular high level monster) and cast at a slow-average speed, you will only still be dodging at around 3 in 10 hits from a average high level monster. Not even taking biolab / raid party maps into consideration.

If we are talking about a dodging build that places casting speed and damage as low priority, its like puncturing a car's wheels and adding loads of metal protection layers to it. In short, you will fail at where you are suppose to triumph, and actually tries to triumph in where you are least effective in.

To each his own yes, maybe we just see the game from different angles.
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Majora_younglink

^ Most likely yes. As long as the build works, theres really no reason to argue I guess.

Also I could never get a Dagger of Counter. Damn insta kill MVP Katrinn. (Once tried to party against her but she kept casting AoEs and the healer an such died) :/