Kiel or High Wiz Card

Started by Backupuser, Apr 03, 2013, 04:24 PM

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Backupuser

Hi i have a problem with my PROF im confused on what card i should use on my headgear... /hmm

Kiel > Spam more bolts

High Wiz Card > Ignores mdef

Thanks in adv... /kis

SukiChii

I would use HW for more damage.

Backupuser

Quote from: SukiChii on Apr 03, 2013, 04:43 PM
I would use HW for more damage.

How mch damage would i get if i had hwc with 9k+ 13k  Mattack compared to kiel... /?

DiesIrae

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Depends on server trend/rate.
Most HR players, in example, don't use MDEF builds, that makes High Wizard card pretty useless.
But ... if MDEF is a effective way to gain protection from magic classes in your servers, you should consider this:
1. get your average base damage (without High Wizard card);
2. then check your damage with High Wizard card;
3. multiply your average base damage (#1) * 1.3 (theorically Kiel card increases DPS damage by 30%).
If damage #2 > #3: use High Wizard card.
If damage #3 => #2: use Kiel card.

I'd personally switch (assuming you are playing a HR with instant cast). When the damage using High Wizard card is low, switch to Kiel; if inconsistent with Kiel, go High Wizard card. Nothing changes: keep Kiel on.

Backupuser

I would love to do that but in order to test it im gonna have to donate first and i dont want to waste money just for the sake of testing damage  /wah

SukiChii

I'm guessing you're playing a low or mid rate?

Backupuser

Im not really sure if its high rate or super high.../heh

SukiChii

It's weird that you have to donate for those, since you could get kiel rather easy /hmm

Backupuser

owhh i already have the kiel its the hwc im talking about  /heh

SukiChii

Ah. Now I understand  /ok
Even in a HR or SHR, HW is not that common.

Backupuser

yeah the god cards tend to be in the donate section or spend half your life hunting em...

SukiChii

Oh OK.
Weird server. Are they expensive in-game?

Backupuser

yeah it costs like 500 php dunno how mch it is in your currency but here you can prolly buy......

alot with it xD

DiesIrae

Quote from: Backupuser on Apr 04, 2013, 12:02 AM
yeah it costs like 500 php dunno how mch it is in your currency but here you can prolly buy......

alot with it xD
OT: selling MvP cards for 12$ is such a scam, but if you like it ...

Back to topic ...
As told, if people does use MDEF gears could be a nice choice. If they don't: leave it.
If your opponents uses 90 MDEF builds, you can have also 3 Kiels, the damage will be nullified. In case of 30~40 MDEF and above High Wizard card is better than Kiel.
But if they don't use any MDEF, or for a lower amount than 30, just go Kiels; pure spam ftw.

Playtester

Faster casting has also other advantages than just more damage. Like giving status changes faster and more slow down from being hit for the enemy.

Triper

If you want really to test both, get into rms test server, should be enough to check both and make your own conclusions[or get into any ro calc and see +/- the differences to get a small sight of what both can do].

For me, personally, HWC is a swap card since good players won't be with high mdef so the card will just kill int and small numbers of mdef. While that can make a difference sometimes in terms of dmg, being able to use faster skills as a Prof is a big advantage and big enough to default Kiel.

sheena

I also have the same question except that HW is better on the server. Anyway, as for the fast JT spam since I already met the no cast requirement. Does ASPD affect the spam rate or do I add more Dex to it? Back in a HR server the JT went very fast with over 250 dex (the no cast was changed to 225)
The image in the avatar is from RivalRO and I am open to server(s) that meets my needs without any stupid player package

SukiChii

JT's cooldown depends on ASPD.

Triper

Or just "dance" it to spam if you've already insta cast =P

sheena

Quote from: SukiChii on Apr 27, 2013, 12:47 AM
JT's cooldown depends on ASPD.
Does this apply to all spells that have the whacking sounds of your attack? I can hear the dagger/rod when I use it
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Hermos

Quote from: sheena on Apr 27, 2013, 06:16 AM
Does this apply to all spells that have the whacking sounds of your attack? I can hear the dagger/rod when I use it

JT's cooldown doesn't really depend on aspd. It's more like aspd affects the anymation delay of that spell. When you are at a high aspd, the animation of the skill is kinda cut, so you can spam it faster. I know that this works with JT and Magic Crasher for high wizards and also Waterball on Aegis platform (although I've never seen this one, only heard from it).

Backupuser

Yeah  apsd does affect the speed of jt cause ive tried a wiz with 0 agi and with 196 atk speed...

Triper

ASPD affects every single skill in the game. It reduces the animation delay.

Hermos

Quote from: Triper on Apr 28, 2013, 11:52 AM
ASPD affects every single skill in the game. It reduces the animation delay.

Hmm, under bragi, right? Because, for example, if you have 190 aspd on a wiz, without bragi  you'll still have 5 seconds between one cast and the next. Although you'll spam JT much faster, even without bragi, at 190 aspd.

Triper

Well, you don't really need bragi[even if it makes it a lot easier], any -%aftercast gear already makes you notice it[Expert Ring, etc]. As soon as you don't have the fixed delay, aspd will reduce it and the higher you've, the more you will notice helping you and in the moment you have aspd being the only limitation on the delay you either use it at the higher possible or start cancelling the animations when possible[sometimes it doesn't help doing that].

Video to help notice how it's done:
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Pics to understand it if video fails:
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If you watch near the second 10, it goes something like this[look at his mouse pointer moving]:
  • 1 - Click to BB[Bowling Bash]
  • 2 - As soon as the BB lands, he clicks near where he's to cancel the animation
  • 3 - Then move again the mouse to strike another BB
  • 4 - And cancels the animation again with a click near where he is
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