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#21
Server Discussion / Re: Project Alfheim is back
Last post by Xellie - Mar 22, 2024, 11:30 PM
Quote from: Gulielmus on Mar 22, 2024, 09:47 PMI'm also curious as you, why s/he is still here.

on their 19th account no less
#22
Server Discussion / Re: Klaipeda RO Copied Custom ...
Last post by Metan - Mar 22, 2024, 11:01 PM
Yeah, I got ahead of myself in my previous post. Looking back, it's not just the content of the wiki, the UI itself is exactly the same as the original page. You'd think the alleged plagiarizer would at least pick a different style so people don't catch on right away, and wikis across the world have different ways to portray info, so it's a real possibility that I didn't really consider at first. Finally, if this thread is anything to go by, whoever is in charge of Midgard Tales doesn't seem to mind, at least not enough to write about it.
#23
Server Discussion / Re: Project Alfheim is back
Last post by Gulielmus - Mar 22, 2024, 09:47 PM
Quote from: ghrim987 on Mar 22, 2024, 06:59 PMOh, I remember you now.
You were the person who quit the server because the main chat was locked behind level 50 and made a big deal about it, even after Charlie explained the reasoning behind it.. didn't it turn out to be an oversight? And I believe it got fixed already? Afaik it was a leftover "security bandaid" for spam bots and toxic people when the server had an incredibly high playerpeak.

I am sorry you had such a traumatic experience on the server but I don't quite understand how people find it in their willpower to return posting in this topic to spread negativity after they have already long quit...

I'm also curious as you, why s/he is still here.
#24
Rant and Rave / Re: Ragnafilian
Last post by Navinzair - Mar 22, 2024, 08:27 PM
Turbonerd, go on, I'm waiting for Your screenshots and other proofs.
Kinda anxious since then

Urs truly Vinzair
#25
Server Discussion / Re: Project Alfheim is back
Last post by ghrim987 - Mar 22, 2024, 06:59 PM
Being on the server for a better part of 2 years I can't really agree with some of the accusations thrown around here.

Quote from: FelioneYou also seem to have all the answers to what the people in this community want, so perhaps you have something valuable to say regarding this unfortunate incident which happens to be poor management, poor social skills, lack of community understanding and the benefit it has, and most importantly, communication with said community.
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Why? because they are PART of the community, they are not the overlords, and they treat everyone equally, including any suck ups, which most recently Muh exhibited. Events are plentiful and actually engage everyone, making it almost pointless to level, when you can just do events all your ro life if that is the choice you decide to make. Their updates involve suggestions and are always within reason, making the experience ENJOYABLE, not something they ENvISION their server should be, but rather, what makes the PLAYERS happy.

He was always quite open and friendly, talked daily with everyone on discord and even engaged in discussions about his design philosophy.. explaining things carefully for people to comprehend his intentions.

However since a lot of bad actors took it as an advantage to mentally drain him off his passion and motivation to work on the server he pretty much stopped interacting on such a personal level, which is a shame but understandable.

Plenty of community suggestions got added in over time.. heck even the last patch implemented dozens of suggestions left by the people on discord.

I had a blast on this server and still enjoy playing daily.
It's really wild our experience is so vastly different.
Not sure how long you've been around or how long you played on PA, but if the management isn't to your liking it's understandable you feel so negatively.. we players either suck it up and deal with it or it aligns with our interests.

Quote from: Felione on Mar 22, 2024, 12:35 PMSo, if it's okay to be pissed off at someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, then it's okay to be angry at an admin who refuses to accept they're wrong and continues communicating their mistakes as a solution? or does the admin hold some sort of seniority over the player, and players having opinions is just counter productive?

Damn you have balls to straight up say an admin is wrong in how they are running their server.
Your last argument however is quite fragile, even I can admit that not everything I utter as an opinion or idea or suggestion would be healthy for the server.
RO players often blurt out their genius mind stroke of the moment without considering all the things that would be impacted by it, so yes.. sometimes players having an opinion is counter productive.

Quote from: Felione on Mar 22, 2024, 12:35 PMAs for your post about Orn, his combative stance was his choice to shut down the server and hurt his playerbase because of a few bad actors. This coincides with alfheim, where they muted the server till midgame, once again, because of a few bad actors. There is nothing combative about these two.

Oh, I remember you now.
You were the person who quit the server because the main chat was locked behind level 50 and made a big deal about it, even after Charlie explained the reasoning behind it.. didn't it turn out to be an oversight? And I believe it got fixed already? Afaik it was a leftover "security bandaid" for spam bots and toxic people when the server had an incredibly high playerpeak.

I am sorry you had such a traumatic experience on the server but I don't quite understand how people find it in their willpower to return posting in this topic to spread negativity after they have already long quit...
#26
Server Discussion / Re: Project Alfheim is back
Last post by ADM Ornstein - Mar 22, 2024, 04:54 PM
Quote from: Felione on Mar 21, 2024, 11:09 PMTake Return to Morroc for example: He literally hated his community for wanting things changed or asking for exp events. That is not an example of someone who wants to handle a community, but rather, get praise from what little support he can. I have my opinion on why he really closed things up, but I'm almost certain he is not telling us everything, or rather, conveniently skewing it.

Saying I hated my community for asking for changes and asking for exp events is quite a surprise. When I turned 32 I made 24h of 3.2x exp for example...it was a running joke in discord that people would ask for exp events for random stuff like payment day, I ate sushi that weekend or whatever else...with a strong denial by me.

Did you experience these first hand or taken it in account from people somewhere else? You can ask that yourself to the players who were there.

Whatever you or someone else calls PRM and its closure, I don't really care. Everyone will call PRM a cashgrab while ignoring the amount of work and the 100% cosmetic cash shop (while ingame there were over 350 costumes, and ALL GARMENTS were achievement rewards, no exceptions).

I'd recommend checking and asking me yourself before going after narratives. Discord: admornstein
#27
Server Discussion / Re: Project Alfheim is back
Last post by Blinzer - Mar 22, 2024, 01:48 PM
Quote from: Felione on Mar 22, 2024, 12:35 PMthen it's okay to be angry at an admin who refuses to accept they're wrong and continues communicating their mistakes as a solution? or does the admin hold some sort of seniority over the player

I know I'm being annoying, but you're defending one end of the spectrum. You just mentioned that people should be more productive, but it's also okay to be pissed off.


Yeah, I did say that. Anyone who has tried to ever become good at anything knows exactly what part anger and frustration plays in the process, and it's a significant one. Ostracizing and isolating the emotion is extremely naive.

As an artist you are already in a constant battle against your own creation, without the extra weight of having to carry all of the weight of other people and what they dump on you. Even if you're right, you're unreasonable in your expectations for an admin to play it perfectly in every single regard. Only god himself is as talented as you are trying to lead on.

The price you demand is far too high, you want it all. And you're doing without even really giving anything in return. To me, that's a red flag.

QuoteAs for your post about Orn, his combative stance was his choice to shut down the server and hurt his playerbase because of a few bad actors. This coincides with alfheim, where they muted the server till midgame, once again, because of a few bad actors. There is nothing combative about these two.


No... don't repurpose what I said, that's toxic. You know damn well I was referring to previous comment:

QuoteTake Return to Morroc for example: He literally hated his community for wanting things changed or asking for exp events.

This trend of taking what someone says and deciding what you meant for them needs to stop, it's super bad.

You were insinuating that he was combative and vocal about his opinions on his design and changes on his game with his players. And you also provided me additional evidence that my read on your initial post is right, in your current post:

QuoteOrn took everything far too personally, and his problem was his view of HIS project, and those who disagreed with that view, were told to leave. Fortunately, this is a fair choice: Why stay where you're not welcome? or rather, why stay when the boss refuses to listen? Regardless, once those few who disagreed left, he then turned that anger unto his community, just poking at anyone who had an opinion which differed from his. You were not allowed to have an opinion, or you would be ridiculed, because he just couldn't handle an opinion.

Nah. This seems like a very efficient way to get people to stop bugging you. Sure... it doesn't prove anything about what's right or wrong, but I guess you never considered that to him, he doesn't care who's right or wrong. He just doesn't want to deal with the attitude, and that is the quickest way of getting you off him. Attitude being the key word.

I can agree he's not perfect, he's an acquaintance of mine and I see his faults for what they are. You're going way overboard. I don't know who taught you that reading between the lines is good, but let me give you a different perspective.

It's not.
#28
Server Discussion / Re: Project Alfheim is back
Last post by Felione - Mar 22, 2024, 12:35 PM
Quote from: Blinzer on Mar 22, 2024, 12:07 AMI didn't read what was in pages ago, if I have to be honest with you.

Yeahhh, no. Sorry.

Also, you highly underestimate how irresponsible and how much extra work it is to have players whine about every little thing as an admin. It is completely understandable for a human being to get pissed off at someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, even if it's not necessarily the best or most reasonable reaction to have.

So, if it's okay to be pissed off at someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, then it's okay to be angry at an admin who refuses to accept they're wrong and continues communicating their mistakes as a solution? or does the admin hold some sort of seniority over the player, and players having opinions is just counter productive? :D

I know I'm being annoying, but you're defending one end of the spectrum. You just mentioned that people should be more productive, but it's also okay to be pissed off.

As for your post about Orn, his combative stance was his choice to shut down the server and hurt his playerbase because of a few bad actors. This coincides with alfheim, where they muted the server till midgame, once again, because of a few bad actors. There is nothing combative about these two.

Quote from: Metan on Mar 22, 2024, 10:39 AMYou can't be a nice guy in this environment for long, else you'll eventually get forced down in the food chain. OathRO is an unfortunate, but telling example of this: mired in such a cesspool, even a nice and reasonable man will go bonkers in ways that are unpredictable and rather harming, precisely because he's been overly indulgent. You could argue that he (Orn) exaggerated in his stance, and I wouldn't be one to argue about this only because I wasn't there to see it; but it is hard to attack the way he handled things in itself because it was a defense mechanism that may have been only too necessary, and he did it for free, for Heaven's sake.

Orn took everything far too personally, and his problem was his view of HIS project, and those who disagreed with that view, were told to leave. Fortunately, this is a fair choice: Why stay where you're not welcome? or rather, why stay when the boss refuses to listen? Regardless, once those few who disagreed left, he then turned that anger unto his community, just poking at anyone who had an opinion which differed from his. You were not allowed to have an opinion, or you would be ridiculed, because he just couldn't handle an opinion.

You also keep mentioning he did it for "free". I assure you, his bank account would disagree with you.

One more thing, and I know this isn't fair, but I won't respond to any orn things anymore, because the subject is alfheim. I'm sorry if this annoys anyone.
#29
Server Discussion / Re: Klaipeda RO Copied Custom ...
Last post by Blinzer - Mar 22, 2024, 12:03 PM
I mean... they're questions that are supposed to be verified before making claims, not after.
#30
Server Discussion / Re: Project Alfheim is back
Last post by Blinzer - Mar 22, 2024, 12:02 PM
I don't know anything about how Orn dealt with people, but I don't mind him taking a more combative stance. That's always been my style, and I think it has plenty of underappreciated merits. It does more good for people than you think.