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Offline krosserdog

Re: Admin Noah (a.k.a. Peach). Untrustable.
« Reply #30 on: Apr 24, 2013, 02:57 am »
Oh, I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I would take a closer look before refusing to play on the server. Though, my standards are quite high, as I have played a lot of servers, and seen so much come from Admins. From an Admin raging because his girlfriend dumped him and dropping donates and customs, followed by broadcasting players passwords before quitting, to an Admin giving out player account information to get certain accounts "hacked", in the hopes that the players would quit the server. It really is quite sad, considering that it is just a game. But I know what you mean.  ;)
I think this reply seem much friendlier than the last one  /lv (I could be misunderstood again). Excuse me if I misinterpret anything, I'm from Vietnam and English isn't my first language (please no ad hominem). Moreover, I can admit that I'm not much of a seasoned RO player and I guess my standard would not be high as yours. Though, you never know what a person willing to do when they hold personal grudge  /hmm. Thanks for sharing your opinion though  /no1.

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Offline Reality

Re: Admin Noah (a.k.a. Peach). Untrustable.
« Reply #31 on: Apr 24, 2013, 03:00 am »
krosserdog. Again. Please stay on topic. This isn't about the shared account information during our time as coworkers when I had a lot of reason to trust her. This is about her poor character, lack of judgment, and sheer spite.

This is not a blaming game so stop deflecting please. This is about trust and character, not circumstance or blame, as both have been laid out and described in full and honest detail. So stop talking about it, please.

I'm not saying that this is abusing power. It's abusing my trust and the trust of others. It's the fact that nobody like this should be given a position of authority of any sort at all. This is best classified as harassment, possibly at its worst levels. How could you possibly disagree with that?

And -Una- summed up how I believe players should feel about Noah/Peach very well.

-Reality

P.S. Additionally, from Dictionary.com

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23.
hack into, Computers. to break into (a server, Web site, etc.) from a remote location to steal or damage data: Students are constantly trying to hack into their school server to change their grades.

If you are a baby sitter and the household shares their alarm system's password information, and you later decide to enter their home when they are away and steal all their electronics, it's still a break in and a breaching, as permission was not granted despite the information and ability being available. As such, this term is not incorrect considering the circumstances.

Offline krosserdog

Re: Admin Noah (a.k.a. Peach). Untrustable.
« Reply #32 on: Apr 24, 2013, 03:38 am »
krosserdog. Again. Please stay on topic. This isn't about the shared account information during our time as coworkers when I had a lot of reason to trust her. This is about her poor character, lack of judgment, and sheer spite.
Woa, you must have had a bad experience with her to judge her this much.

This is not a blaming game so stop deflecting please. This is about trust and character, not circumstance or blame, as both have been laid out and described in full and honest detail. So stop talking about it, please.

I'm not saying that this is abusing power. It's abusing my trust and the trust of others. It's the fact that nobody like this should be given a position of authority of any sort at all. This is best classified as harassment, possibly at its worst levels. How could you possibly disagree with that?
-Reality

P.S. Additionally, from Dictionary.com

If you are a baby sitter and the household shares their alarm system's password information, and you later decide to enter their home when they are away and steal all their electronics, it's still a break in and a breaching, as permission was not granted despite the information and ability being available. As such, this term is not incorrect considering the circumstances.
Reality, I'm not trying to say that you were dishonest or were wrong in your report. Those were very informative and has enough proof to prove what Noah did was considered low and wrong.
It is very unfortunate that she betrays your trust, I'm sorry for that.
Though if you read carefully, my intention of replying to this thread was to ask for a re-evaluation since this report is merely player to player issue, not really GM related. I just don't want Noah's reputation to crumble as an admin due to some personal issue with her acquaintances.

The term hacking is not correct in this example because:
1. She didn't steal the data; you gave it to her.
2. She didn't break into divRO's server. If she did, please provide evidence.

As of your example, you're forgetting one detail. In your case, you and Noah had conflict and disagreement, thus I assume that you guys must have not like each other and you guy have not been in contact for quite some times. In your example, the household didn't have any conflict with the babysitter and you don't know if they grant permission or not, (however since it was to link with your case let's assume that they did). Since they grant the babysitter permission and never had any conflict with her/him, it would be a big issue since at this point, the family has wholeheartedly trust the babysitter. On the other hand, in your case, due to your conflict with Noah, I can assume that you can't possibly trust each other wholeheartedly and rather be each other's enemy. So it was your responsibility to take precaution to your property.
Also, you never address my point of failing to protect your account.
« Last Edit: Apr 24, 2013, 03:43 am by krosserdog »

Offline Reality

Re: Admin Noah (a.k.a. Peach). Untrustable.
« Reply #33 on: Apr 24, 2013, 04:10 am »
The term hacking is not correct in this example because:
1. She didn't steal the data; you gave it to her.
2. She didn't break into divRO's server. If she did, please provide evidence.

This is exactly the case in the example...

-Reality

Edit: Also I did not address your point on my account security because you never made a valid one that I have not already addressed.

Offline Cawliflower

Re: Admin Noah (a.k.a. Peach). Untrustable.
« Reply #34 on: Apr 24, 2013, 05:26 am »
You don't have to define "hack," Encyclopedia Britannica. We were using the term loosely in the definition of unauthorized access to an account. Peach accessed his account using a password that wasn't hers to use and dropped items/used profanity over broadcast/acted a fool. You're missing the point completely, krosser. Just stop trying to defend bad behavior, and move on.

Have a nice day.
« Last Edit: Apr 24, 2013, 05:32 am by Cawliflower »
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yesterday im ask gm crewkie hitler for pls ad balance costum like angel wing or 4slot narutaro BUT HE SAY NO.. um sry i thot this was ranganarok and not a nazis???????

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Offline krosserdog

Re: Admin Noah (a.k.a. Peach). Untrustable.
« Reply #35 on: Apr 24, 2013, 05:36 am »
Before anything, please note that I am not trying to justify Noah's action of logging into Reality account. I merely demand and trying to justify why Noah didn't deserve to be on the GM HoS.

This is exactly the case in the example...

-Reality

Edit: Also I did not address your point on my account security because you never made a valid one that I have not already addressed.

Please explain and provide evidence on why do you think she "hack" your account.
You clearly said you grant her permission to use it, which can also mean you gave her your account credentials.
I would like to admit that I did in fact grant permission to Peach to log into my accounts, a little less than a year ago, to help me test something.
-Reality

Rather than did not addressing my point, you're using a straw man example to dodge my point.
Reality fails to protect his own account by giving out his credentials to Noah. After conflict and disagreement, these two, Noah and Reality, partway and have not been in contact. Reality, at this point, should already change his password; however, due to unknown reason, he didn't and thus got his account sabotaged by Noah.
My point: Though it was very wrong of Noah to do such thing, it was also part of Reality's fault for not protecting this account.
My example: If you didn't lock your car and it get stolen, even if the thief did get caught, it was also your OWN fault for not locking it.
If you did lock your car, but the thief somehow manage to break in, then it's entirely the thief fault in this case.
Reality fails to protect his own account, thus it was also part of his fault.

Let's be honest, krosser is way to "in the know" on Reality and Peach to be just an innocent player trying to defend a "nice GM."

You don't have to define "hack," Encyclopedia Britannica. We were using the term loosely in the definition of unauthorized access to an account. Peach accessed his account using a password that wasn't hers to use and dropped items/used profanity over broadcast/acted a fool. You're missing the point completely, krosser. Just stop trying to defend bad behavior, and move on.

Have a nice day.

This is really what we're REALLY dealing with, in my honest opinion. I don't understand why this person is persisting to try to logically explain why Peach shouldn't be on the HoS. If it was up to krosser, we'd award Peach with a medal because she went the extra mile to defile Reality's account out of spite.
Cawliflower is rather being fallacious here. I'm not trying to justify Peach action, rather I'm trying to say what Peach did is unrelated to her work as a GM.
Unauthorized? Reality clearly said he granted her permission.
Also, thanks for admitting that I am trying to "logically explain" why Peach shouldn't be on the HoS.
Your last sentence is irrelevant and apparently trying to redirect my point. I constantly state that Peach action was petty and low but apparently someone didn't get the memo.

Restating my overall point:
1) This thread is merely player to player report, no GM-related issue, thus Noah should not be on the GM HoS.
2) Even if the mod decided that Noah should still be on the HoS, please change the reason why Noah was put up there since she didn't "hack" into Reality account.
3) Noah is not a bad GM.

Supporting arguments:
1) The argument that I keep seeing mainly is that since Noah, as a player, betrays Reality's trust, she will most likely do the same thing as an admin.
This argument is not necessarily true for the following reason: Noah had a personal conflict with Reality, thus this was her act of vengeance on him. Otherwise, she would not do it to an unknown player or someone who she has no problem with. In fact, no normal person in real life would be nice to everyone, even the nicest person you know still be mean to his/her enemy. So as a conclusion, Noah, as a GM, shouldn't be quickly judge as an untrustworthy person just because of one action against Reality, who is happen to be a person she does not like.
2) She didn't hack into Reality account because Reality gave her the account credentials and even grant her permission to use it. After their personal conflict, Reality didn't change his password due to unknown reason and fail to protect his own account.
3) Beside from this report of betraying Reality's trust, there were no other report of Noah being a bad GM. Furthermore, because of this report, Noah resigned as a GM in order to save the server reputation and I think it was very self-sacrifice of her to do that.

In conclusion, this case is merely player to player report. Noah, as a GM, doesn't deserve to be on the HoS just because of a player to player personal grudge.
I hereby wish to ask a mod or someone with authority to re-evaluate this case and give comments on such matter, rather than Reality or Cawliflower who keep claiming my point to be irrelevant or redirecting my point.
Thanks.

Offline Cawliflower

Re: Admin Noah (a.k.a. Peach). Untrustable.
« Reply #36 on: Apr 24, 2013, 05:38 am »
No. The HoS isn't specific to the server you're a staff member on. That's not how it works. She misrepresented herself and tried to hide it as she's "Noah." Because she got caught doing this ridiculous action, she is now listed.

You're wrong. Stop trying to defend her. You're done. Nobody cares about their backstory.
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yesterday im ask gm crewkie hitler for pls ad balance costum like angel wing or 4slot narutaro BUT HE SAY NO.. um sry i thot this was ranganarok and not a nazis???????

DivinityRO 6.9 coming soon!

Offline krosserdog

Re: Admin Noah (a.k.a. Peach). Untrustable.
« Reply #37 on: Apr 24, 2013, 05:46 am »
No. The HoS isn't specific to the server you're a staff member on. That's not how it works. She misrepresented herself and tried to hide it as she's "Noah." Because she got caught doing this ridiculous action, she is now listed.

You're wrong. Stop trying to defend her. You're done. Nobody cares about their backstory.
Wrong is too subjective. You never successfully refute my point and here you are claiming my point to be wrong. It's like I'm playing a chess with pigeon here.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pigeon%20chess

Also, how is "The HoS isn't specific to the server you're a staff member on" relate to my point? My point is that this is a player to player issues, not GM related.
"She misrepresented herself and tried to hide it as she's "Noah."
She's not trying to hide her identity. Stop using falsify information to degrade her image. Unlike someone, I believe she would admit her identity if ask.

And yes, I'm done. Done with answering Cawliflower's reply. Would be really nice if someone with authority or a 3rd party give their opinions on the matter.

Offline Cawliflower

Re: Admin Noah (a.k.a. Peach). Untrustable.
« Reply #38 on: Apr 24, 2013, 05:50 am »
Wrong is too subjective. You never successfully refute my point and here you are claiming my point to be wrong. It's like I'm playing a chess with pigeon here.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pigeon%20chess

Also, how is "The HoS isn't specific to the server you're a staff member on" relate to my point? My point is that this is a player to player issues, not GM related.
"She misrepresented herself and tried to hide it as she's "Noah."
She's not trying to hide her identity. Stop using falsify information to degrade her image. Unlike someone, I believe she would admit her identity if ask.

And yes, I'm done. Done with answering Cawliflower's reply. Would be really nice if someone with authority or a 3rd party give their opinions on the matter.
Xarale already has done that. :)

No, it is a GM related issue because she went on my server and defiled it and publicly posted vulgarities on a megaphone while hacking Reality's account.

Obviously, she did try to hide her image. There's no reason to change your GM names on a new server. The reason was because their last two have completely flopped. Quit trying, bro. I know far more than you do about these people.
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yesterday im ask gm crewkie hitler for pls ad balance costum like angel wing or 4slot narutaro BUT HE SAY NO.. um sry i thot this was ranganarok and not a nazis???????

DivinityRO 6.9 coming soon!

Offline Xarale

Re: Admin Noah (a.k.a. Peach). Untrustable.
« Reply #39 on: Apr 24, 2013, 06:06 am »
Just to add this in here, although it's been mentioned by others already;
The GM Hall of Shame isn't purely about corruption alone, or misuse of GM powers, or even specific to the server they're a part of.  Look around it, there's many examples of other shameful acts, which is what the GM Hall of Shame is about.  Naming and shaming RO private server GM/Admins who commit such shameful acts. (I'll admit, I could maybe update the description a bit better to clarify this)

Looking at this case, and the arguments provided from both sides, I still see the act itself as being rather shameful & deserving of a spot in our GM HoS.  Sure they didn't misuse GM powers to log into Reality's account, but they hold the position of an RO server admin, and they chose to go ahead with this act.  I'm aware that Reality gave her his account information a while back and that he's partly to blame, but that still doesn't excuse her for what she did.  It's a serious breach of trust, and I'm sure other players would be most interested to know what sort of person their admin is when playing on their server.  I'm not saying she's a bad person, infact I've spoken to her before and she seemed rather polite & well-spoken.  That still doesn't change what she did, I'm sure even she knows she did wrong here. 
At the end of the day, she risked her reputation as a server admin to go ahead with this shameful act of revenge, and she got caught.

@krosserdog - I commend you for standing up and defending Noah, and you do raise a few good points.  I've made a slight edit to the reasoning for her HoS entry based on your points, but I won't be removing her from it.

Despite what happened, I wish both Noah and her server luck with the future.

-X.

Note: Unless something new is bought to the table, I'll soon be locking this thread up, as I'm seeing very little point of seeing the same points bought up from both sides over and over again.

Offline krosserdog

Re: Admin Noah (a.k.a. Peach). Untrustable.
« Reply #40 on: Apr 24, 2013, 06:11 am »
Well, that's come to an end. At least I tried. Thx Xarale for hearing me out and state your opinion. Appreciated.

Offline Cawliflower

Re: Admin Noah (a.k.a. Peach). Untrustable.
« Reply #41 on: Apr 24, 2013, 06:17 am »
Just to add this in here, although it's been mentioned by others already;
The GM Hall of Shame isn't purely about corruption alone, or misuse of GM powers, or even specific to the server they're a part of.  Look around it, there's many examples of other shameful acts, which is what the GM Hall of Shame is about.  Naming and shaming RO private server GM/Admins who commit such shameful acts. (I'll admit, I could maybe update the description a bit better to clarify this)

Looking at this case, and the arguments provided from both sides, I still see the act itself as being rather shameful & deserving of a spot in our GM HoS.  Sure they didn't misuse GM powers to log into Reality's account, but they hold the position of an RO server admin, and they chose to go ahead with this act.  I'm aware that Reality gave her his account information a while back and that he's partly to blame, but that still doesn't excuse her for what she did.  It's a serious breach of trust, and I'm sure other players would be most interested to know what sort of person their admin is when playing on their server.  I'm not saying she's a bad person, infact I've spoken to her before and she seemed rather polite & well-spoken.  That still doesn't change what she did, I'm sure even she knows she did wrong here. 
At the end of the day, she risked her reputation as a server admin to go ahead with this shameful act of revenge, and she got caught.

@krosserdog - I commend you for standing up and defending Noah, and you do raise a few good points.  I've made a slight edit to the reasoning for her HoS entry based on your points, but I won't be removing her from it.

Despite what happened, I wish both Noah and her server luck with the future.

-X.

Note: Unless something new is bought to the table, I'll soon be locking this thread up, as I'm seeing very little point of seeing the same points bought up from both sides over and over again.
I agree with this completely. There's many things I did on my many HoS entries that didn't directly involve being on a GM account/staff alias. I screwed up, and as a public figure in the RO community I was put on blast in the Rant & Rave then being moved to HoS. Life goes on, I grew up, and looking back it's a lesson learned.
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yesterday im ask gm crewkie hitler for pls ad balance costum like angel wing or 4slot narutaro BUT HE SAY NO.. um sry i thot this was ranganarok and not a nazis???????

DivinityRO 6.9 coming soon!

Offline Triper

Re: Admin Noah (a.k.a. Peach). Untrustable.
« Reply #42 on: Apr 24, 2013, 12:23 pm »
Since everything seems clarified, I think the request I got through PM is OK to be pulled/applied now.

I will just add a small group of notes to future readers not be induced by some of the topics being discussed here in case you read in the diagonal:
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So, for future readers who may think this was a Pure-RO vs DivRO/eoRO epic fight, it wasn't. It was just a bad judgement of a person that, in a way or another, admitted it.
If Pure-RO is still a good place to play even after this, is up to you to readers/players. Go there, check it and do your own judge. Don't judge everything based on just one action as much as it may look bad, everybody learns from mistakes and the person into question isn't there anymore, anyway.