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Offline andromedaragnarokonline

AndromedaRO's not paying and vilifying attempt
« on: Jun 25, 2013, 10:46 am »
Good Day Everyone! I made this topic to tell you about this Guy(Hyraine) and  the best fail Web Service. Recently i am looking for someone who can design my RO Web for a cheap price, then i found this Guy(Hyvraine) appeared on my google search. So i added him on Skype, talked to him and approach him about my Web needs. He asked me about the Web i want, i showed him Talon RO as our" reference". At first he doesn't agree because of my low budget, then i tried to please him. Suddenly he agrees with my offer, and everything was clear about the project so he stared to do the design etc etc. At first it goes well, but suddenly at the middle of Web Work, he started to limit everything, and doesn't go to the exact project that we discussed. And another thing, do you know how long my Web Project gets done? It's 8 days now, and still a lot of mistakes and s*** etc. He threatened me that if im not goin to pay him, he's gonna do some long story posting here on RMS. Because he send me the files which is just a piece of crap, now Mr. Hyvraine i dare you to comment on this topic. Or you want me to upload the Web Work s*** you made?:-)


http://forum.ratemyserver.net/paid-services/hyvraine-designs-(fluxcp-integration-patcher-skins-and-many-morelt3)/  /hmm  /hmm  /hmm
« Last Edit: Jun 27, 2013, 08:31 am by Triper »

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Offline Triper

Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
« Reply #1 on: Jun 25, 2013, 11:49 am »

Offline kenshn111

Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
« Reply #2 on: Jun 25, 2013, 07:43 pm »
Hey andromedaro! Why didn't you post the whole story?



Please bear with my English.


Tuesday, June 18th he inquired for my services, so I gave him my other works. He asked how much would be the price for a site something like

[6/18/2013 1:48:03 PM] Roan PapaXong: http://we.are-o.net/?module=info

I said $100 and he said it's still expensive, when I asked what his budget was it was around $34.28 so I told him to why not look for tutorials so he wouldn't spend anything and I even sent him a file from rAthena which was free. I saw another designer which in his topic says $35 for the design and integration if I'm not mistaken but unfortunately they were inactive so I just told him to wait for next week because I'll be releasing some of my resell type designs and just make his content of the index prettier so that people will be interested to join.

But he insisted, and asked for the peso equivalence which was
[6/18/2013 2:32:56 PM] Hyvraine: P4284.51

sa coinmill ako nagbase

But he said that he's tight on money so he said sorry for the trouble and that he was embarassed.

Conversation for that day: http://pastebin.com/jdQW34FT (in tagalog and english)
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The next day around 9:58AM he came back and again asked for the price of this type of website: [6/19/2013 9:58:54 AM] Roan PapaXong: http://we.are-o.net/?module=info
which I replied "$100, no resell"
he asked for a little reduction but that was my last price so I declined (from $160)

he then asked if the price was the same for talonro which I said yes and that there will be some modification

later he asked how the payment is going to be made,

[6/19/2013 10:33:57 AM] Hyvraine: I only accept payments through Paypal
[6/19/2013 10:34:05 AM] Roan PapaXong: oh s***

but he asked if he could just pay through the bank
he asked how much the down payment was but I said that I do work first and if you like it I'm going to send the files while he's sending the payment that's why I use paypal

but he asked for where I lived, he said his and I said mine and asked if we could just meet up but I declined because I don't want that. and then he asked if we could just add our real facebook since we 'aren't really that different' and that he couldn't find anybody and that his budget is low so that we could start the project

after that I needed to go somewhere to buy something, he sent me a message that I should do it but I asked him if he was sure about the money he's going to pay me ($100) he said yes about that

later that night I sent this to him: http://i.imgur.com/auKTWI4.jpg
but he didn't like it, he prefers it to be simple just like on talon, he doesn't like transparent styles and he prefers it to be simple just like on we.are-o.net

(click to show/hide)

but he also didn't like the man beside and the background and he suggested some, so here's the next preview:
http://i.imgur.com/kcysiU0.jpg

he suggested something, to it be like talon's and asked if he could make his banners in flash, something that I don't do so I declined

[6/19/2013 10:08:12 PM] Hyvraine: Hindi siya flash, pero nagiiba din siya (kahit ilan mo gusto)
He misunderstood this as something for free, that I'll do 3+ banners for free. The deal was already $60 off. shameless.

after his suggestions, this came up: http://i.imgur.com/g5Cd4Jv.jpg
and then this.. http://i.imgur.com/UXHDFLV.png
..http://i.imgur.com/YJ28ivf.png

(click to show/hide)

so this came up: http://i.imgur.com/LDL6Tsw.png
..http://i.imgur.com/IPk5rVt.png
something that made him happy


he wanted the banners to be like in talon's
http://i.imgur.com/UsJK2o7.jpg

but he asked for a bigger one
http://i.imgur.com/49eaL4J.jpg

and that was the last preview for that night

but I needed to sleep so when I woke around 8-9AM
http://i.imgur.com/MpbQgFO.jpg

this was the time that I used talon's banners because I figured it would save the time to know the size if I just downloaded it and downloaded 2 more so that i'd know if the slider worked

and then he suddenly said that he didn't like the bg, that the thing he sent to me wasn't a good idea (talking about the girl and the bg)

this came up..http://imgur.com/CTUFDvH

now he's looking for an alternative woman for the background, i sent him the valkyrie which he liked so we used it

so this happened: http://i.imgur.com/iqT364x.jpg
and then more previews and blahs

http://i.imgur.com/B5aTeM6.jpg

the point is, I made something which I think suited for a $100- of course the theme was not yet final since I'm doing designing and coding at the same time since he needed it by friday but the problem was he doesn't like my designs and wants something like talon so I made everything look like talon because he wants it to be

(click to show/hide)


when we were done, and since it was on a Saturday evening and the banks are already closed I was doubting that he would pay me so I didn't give out the files since someone still haven't sent the money

And since the banks are closed on a Sunday he offered a meet-up, something I don't want to do and then he suddenly said things like

"you're like a prostitute, pay first before action"

(click to show/hide)

he said stuffs like that a lot of times

and then he said that I'm rejecting those who are a sure buyer

(click to show/hide)

but then I still sent the files, something that I shouldn't have done

And here's another thing, he asked me to do a login BG! for free apparently since he didn't take into account the $5 but it was crap anyway so

Sunday came and there were a lot of errors, I fixed it up immediately

However, on Monday he didn't pay. He made me do a patcher and he was supposed to pay me yesterday for a total of ($122) but he didn't.

Anyways,
(click to show/hide)

When I was making the patcher ( I had 4 versions I think ) he said that I should just exactly copy Talon's and that he doesn't care

Give me sometime to upload the conversation, since I need to remove my account number

« Last Edit: Jun 25, 2013, 09:39 pm by kenshn111 »

Offline Cawliflower

Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
« Reply #3 on: Jun 25, 2013, 07:47 pm »
Personally, I know many people that have worked with Hyvraine and I've also used him. He's a great designer, and there's no reason why he'd want to copy Talon; seems like this person was persisting and he just was going to deliver what he wanted. It isn't Hyvraine's fault that the client wanted to skin TalonRO and wear it like last year's Versace hand-bag/heh
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yesterday im ask gm crewkie hitler for pls ad balance costum like angel wing or 4slot narutaro BUT HE SAY NO.. um sry i thot this was ranganarok and not a nazis???????

DivinityRO 6.9 coming soon!

Offline kenshn111

Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
« Reply #4 on: Jun 25, 2013, 08:31 pm »
He changed his name, not sure why but anyways lol: http://i.imgur.com/4kwU29I.png
I personally think that he should be in HoS, copying Talon's Rules lmao. Even if he removed now, he still did it

Here are the logs:
Wednesday: http://pastebin.com/NqYvKcCy
Thursday: http://pastebin.com/He692Q1P
Friday: http://pastebin.com/NfKYzScj
Saturday: http://pastebin.com/199zimZY
Sunday: http://pastebin.com/2ChqDGFM
Monday: http://pastebin.com/1Eri10yi
Tuesday: http://pastebin.com/Li1fYRGB

Late messages (I just got them now)
Tuesday late: http://pastebin.com/7tnUbTUB
Wed(just now):http://pastebin.com/kR0uHXxh

« Last Edit: Jun 25, 2013, 08:40 pm by kenshn111 »

Offline Kimchiii

Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
« Reply #5 on: Jun 25, 2013, 09:35 pm »
uuuuh
hard to read it,
so he know that those banners are made for talon, right?
then he cant really blame Hyraine for that o.o

Offline andromedaragnarokonline

Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
« Reply #6 on: Jun 25, 2013, 09:46 pm »
So now you're trying to reverse everything?  Because i didn't pay you, because of your s*** works and decades of work before it gets done ? And clients can't complain on your mistakes? And we have to please you just to fix your stupid piece of sh*t  /hmm  /heh Hall Of Shame? "Because of  the Web Master Sh*t who designed and copy Talon's RO web?" Now that sounds good Mr. Hyvraine. Anyway i found a new Web Master which is really approachable and in a good fair price. Now tell me do you want me to post your Piece of Crap here? So everyone can download and see?

Anyway you can visit my RO Web, i am temporarily using the default Flux CP www.andromeda-gaming.net, soon i will get my new Integration. I start working with the new Web Master today, and he's a lot different from Hyraine's Design and Fail Services  /ok

Offline Cawliflower

Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
« Reply #7 on: Jun 25, 2013, 09:53 pm »
So now you're trying to reverse everything?  Because i didn't pay you, because of your s*** works and decades of work before it gets done ? And clients can't complain on your mistakes? And we have to please you just to fix your stupid piece of sh*t  /hmm  /heh Hall Of Shame? "Because of  the Web Master Sh*t who designed and copy Talon's RO web?" Now that sounds good Mr. Hyvraine. Anyway i found a new Web Master which is really approachable and in a good fair price. Now tell me do you want me to post your Piece of Crap here? So everyone can download and see?

Anyway you can visit my RO Web, i am temporarily using the default Flux CP www.andromeda-gaming.net, soon i will get my new Integration. I start working with the new Web Master today, and he's a lot different from Hyraine's Design and Fail Services  /ok
Nobody is trying to reverse anything, you're just delusional... You persisted on it being TalonRO. How is THAT the designer's fault? He was trying to please the client and you don't seem very easy to work with when you're like "moar talon pls." Come on, stop trying to smear his reputation. You're just pissed off that DeePee caught you in the act of stealing their design, and now to save your terribad reputation you've started for yourself you're throwing Hyvraine under the bus (or trying to). You look messy as hell.

What is even worse is you didn't even pay up.
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yesterday im ask gm crewkie hitler for pls ad balance costum like angel wing or 4slot narutaro BUT HE SAY NO.. um sry i thot this was ranganarok and not a nazis???????

DivinityRO 6.9 coming soon!

Offline Triper

Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
« Reply #8 on: Jun 25, 2013, 10:18 pm »
So now you're trying to reverse everything?  Because i didn't pay you, because of your s*** works and decades of work before it gets done ? And clients can't complain on your mistakes? And we have to please you just to fix your stupid piece of sh*t  /hmm  /heh Hall Of Shame? "Because of  the Web Master Sh*t who designed and copy Talon's RO web?" Now that sounds good Mr. Hyvraine. Anyway i found a new Web Master which is really approachable and in a good fair price. Now tell me do you want me to post your Piece of Crap here? So everyone can download and see?

Anyway you can visit my RO Web, i am temporarily using the default Flux CP www.andromeda-gaming.net, soon i will get my new Integration. I start working with the new Web Master today, and he's a lot different from Hyraine's Design and Fail Services  /ok
No need to jump into offensive speech.
If you see that what he says is an huge lie, post your version of the skype logs that show the truth? At least is what you claim, right? If anything is wrong, your own logs should show the evidence and the truth.

Offline andromedaragnarokonline

Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
« Reply #9 on: Jun 25, 2013, 10:34 pm »
Wait now you are titled "Hyvraine's Mother The Protector"  /heh Are you Hyvraine's friend in vile?  /hmm
Caught up? Hyvraine Fail Services copy that Talon RO Slider, do you have any proof about what you're accusing me Mr. Protector? Or you're just trying to show everyone here that you're a good example of a  "Mother Figure" /lv? Aside from that, i was about to Pay him(Monday) luckily i didn't depost  the money to *hides account number*, because Hyvraine Fail services sounds like he wants me to add some $bucks before he started to fix the Piece of Crap he made and he keeps ignoring my messages and making me wait at all times. You can have your Piece of Crap back Mr. Hyvraine, because you might be thinking that i stole one of your Piece Of Sh*t which you can visit my RO Web www.andromeda-gaming.net, i am using right now a temporary Default Flux(Working with a new Web Master)  just tell me, it's only 4MB file size, so everyone can download it here. You'll have the greatest shame of your life  /no1

Yea sure Mr.Triper  /ok

[edit by Triper: Bank accounts numbers aren't made to be shared in public!!]
« Last Edit: Jun 25, 2013, 10:51 pm by Triper »

Offline andromedaragnarokonline

Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
« Reply #10 on: Jun 25, 2013, 11:05 pm »
As you can read it here, from the very beginng of this Project. I asked him how much it will cost me
http://pastebin.com/3wSt5Cpq

At this part, you can see that im trying to please him about t he price. Then he said  the price that he wants
http://pastebin.com/RCs6i5Pk

Now you can see here, making an agreement for the project worth 100$
http://pastebin.com/0KpRJ5sF

 Now the story started to change.. At this conversation, you can see that he's changing what we have on  the deal about the 100$ project, and that was very clear at the very beginning of our conversation.
http://pastebin.com/bvEhwSvV

Now he threatens me.
http://pastebin.com/5HcN6ELw

As you can see here, im trying to fix the mess, and just order one of his old designs. And you can see here before, that he asked someone(previous clients) for the return of the project if he wanted to, but wait. Why he doesn't want me to give back his piece of crap? And just buy his old one too greedy.
http://pastebin.com/0jNGP6yt

What now Mr.Fail Hyvraine?  /ok

Offline kenshn111

Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
« Reply #11 on: Jun 25, 2013, 11:23 pm »
As you can see here, im trying to fix the mess, and just order one of his old designs. And you can see here before, that he asked someone(previous clients) for the return of the project if he wanted to, but wait. Why he doesn't want me to give back his piece of crap? And just buy his old one too greedy.
http://pastebin.com/0jNGP6yt

What now Mr.Fail Hyvraine?  /ok


I should just say that I never said that someone bought my Hyvraine V1 and that I took it back. Also, it seems like this person doesn't understand that once something (in this case, a complete flux cp design) is sent, its considered as sold.


Now you can see here, making an agreement for the project worth 100$
http://pastebin.com/0KpRJ5sF

That wasn't even an agreement, I was asking if he's sure about paying me $100. You could see that he's waiting for my reply.

Now the story started to change.. At this conversation, you can see that he's changing what we have on  the deal about the 100$ project, and that was very clear at the very beginning of our conversation.
http://pastebin.com/bvEhwSvV

What deal? The deal was a design and integration that is apparently what you wanted me to do (A TalonRO-like website), helping you with AsuraHosting is a different matter. I thought you had  a helper for that. Did he ditch you?

However, this was yesterday when you're asking me help about the problem you're having with AsuraHosting. I already told you which files, and path so you could delete it. Twice, if I'm not wrong.
But apparently you have no knowledge of deleting files whatsoever, nor uploading, heck even editing!!! Since you said yesterday that you only know how to compile, no source edits whatsover.

His claim about the 'story changing' is false. I sent him the files on a Saturday night, fixed the problems the next day. This claim just happened yesterday, something that isn't part of the deal.


Offline andromedaragnarokonline

Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
« Reply #12 on: Jun 25, 2013, 11:48 pm »
Keep posting your scapegoat Mr. Hyvraine Design and Fail Servces  /ho
What i have posted was very clear and still, you're trying to impose those alibis.
Your lover(Cawliflower) wants me to go to Hall of Shame? With what reason? "The  Piece of crap Project Ft. The Greedy Unpaid Web Hogwart's Magician?" Is that?
« Last Edit: Jun 25, 2013, 11:55 pm by andromedaragnarokonline »

Offline RoseTea

Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
« Reply #13 on: Jun 26, 2013, 12:00 am »
If anything, you deserve to go to the Hall of Shame for your attitude here.  Do you have any idea how you look right now to the pile of people who've read this thread since even the couple of hours since it was made?  Why would I, or anyone in the world for that matter, want to play on a server ran by somebody behaving as ridiculously unprofessional you are?

Offline kenshn111

Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
« Reply #14 on: Jun 26, 2013, 12:06 am »
If what you have posted was very clear then I'll leave this to the Admins and Moderators.

Show these though:
1. Show proof of mistakes that I have made, if these are flux tables then they are not valid.
2. And also proofs that I have changed our agreement without you acknowledging it.
3. Name of the client that I asked for the return of the project (Hyvraine V1) [if he wanted to..--]
4. Proof that I agreed with helping you throughout these problems like in Asura or uploading files for you or changing stuffs for you for only $100.

Edit: If you can't show any of these within an hour or even if you did but wasn't valid, I demand him to be put to the Hall of Shame and have this topic closed.

He goes by the name of KimurA, with a skype name of xongpapa