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Offline Ikmal91

Double Dagger / Sonic Blow / Double Sword Crit
« on: Jun 09, 2009, 02:05 pm »
I need help with these 3 builds. I am not sure at all on which is best for me.

The server I play in has max lvl 255/120

and my sinx's stats are

STR = 250+100
AGI = 106+24
VIT = 86+4
INT = 8+19
DEX = 250+29
LUK = 219+9

and the stat points after full rebirth (10 God Rebirth LOL)
is 10,867

so yeah.....
and my equips are

Upper: Asura Helm [4] = Demihuman dmg +40%, STR+20, INT+15, DEX+10. with, 4 VANBERKS

Middle: Mystic Mask [4] = STR+10, ASPD+5, with, Marduk, ESL, MayaP, Kiel

Lower: Wing of Balance [4] = Splash dmg 25 cells, Angel dmg +20%, STR, DEX, AGI, +8, with 2 Gemini, 2 Vanberks

Armor: +10 Valk Armor with (Tao, Marc, GR (3 armors total)

Weapons: Double Sword Crit: Right Hand(+10 Blade[4] with 3 Paper and 1 VR)
                                        Left Hand(+10 Blade[4] with SK, TG, Hydra, Paper)
              Double Dagger: Right Hand(+14 Main Gauche[4] with TG, Hydra, Skel Worker, VR)
                                   Left Hand(+14 Main Gauche[4] with Thana, SK, TG, Hydra)
              SB Katars: +11 Spec Jur with (2TG, 2 Hydra)
                                                      (2TG, 1 Hydra, 1 Phree)
                                                      (TG, Hydra, Phree, Thanatos)

Manteau: +13 V. Manteau with (Raydric, Devi)

Shoes: Sleipnirs[1] 20% HP SP, Increase Move Speed, etc. with (FBH-not sure bout this)

Accessories: 2 Light Megingjards[1] +20 STR ea. with (Ifrit & Wikebine Tres)

im not really sure about my weapons. Im not so sure if they're in their best combination. I need help on this. Most sinx here use SB because of the donation items. (which adds hella lot of % dmg against demi humans and atk) the only donation item i have (which i bought with zeny are Asura Helm and Wing of Balance) but i can kill the donors none-the-less.

I just need to sharpen my skills and stuff some more. HELP ME PLEASE?

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Double Dagger / Sonic Blow / Double Sword Crit
« on: Jun 09, 2009, 02:05 pm »

Offline Relics

Re: Double Dagger / Sonic Blow / Double Sword Crit
« Reply #1 on: Jun 09, 2009, 02:38 pm »
Errrrrrrrr, I can't really add anything onto the stats..

but your weapons, the double sword crit, don't you have an incantation samurai? I'd put that instead of a paper card, and certainly hydra/tg's (why have papers for 20% more crit if you can just do hydra/tg?)

Also, about your weapons..

I'm doing an average of 20k (EDP'd) when I copy your stats on my sinx vs a priest with almost 0 def and cranial/feather beret..
+11 triple explosive bloody jur seems to do more (by a difference of ~500) then double explosive double bloody.

But yeah, I really suggest using incantation here and there, especially when your enemies defense is near 30.

I can't really say anything about the DD's, except that I wouldn't be the one to throw a VR in my main dagger.. I suggest you switch that one around when you're done dispelling your enemy.



Offline Ikmal91

Re: Double Dagger / Sonic Blow / Double Sword Crit
« Reply #2 on: Jun 09, 2009, 03:10 pm »
really? so 3 TG and 1 Hydra works best for the jur eh? cool

why the samurai though? it only makes me ignore defense o.o

and i was thinking bout the dmg multiplication thingy

TG, Hydra, Skel Worker, Paper
1.2 x 1.2 x 1.15 x 1.2 = 1.99 dmg

but im not really sure how it works anyways

im not sure which build is best for me lol
because double dagger i do avg 16k per hit (not sure if double atk applies)
with double sword crit i do 20k+
with katar sonic blows i do like 10k+ depending on the enemy stats

Offline Broken Moon

Re: Double Dagger / Sonic Blow / Double Sword Crit
« Reply #3 on: Jun 09, 2009, 03:34 pm »
If you have so many status points left and FBH, why not put a Kasa Card somewhere? Maximize your INT (and LUK too, why not?) and the few who do not have a GTB shall suffer a bit more... I think? You could also throw in the Owl combo for a bit more magic spammage, even though it doesn't spam at all

Offline Sarin

Re: Double Dagger / Sonic Blow / Double Sword Crit
« Reply #4 on: Jun 09, 2009, 11:09 pm »
Magic spammage is not a good way with apparently many oneshotters around. Or is it my sarcasm detector is broken?
one possibility how to kill a oneshotter is boosting up aspd to max, use shield and dagger with metaling and thana maero cards. Survive the first SB, incapacitate and finish them off. Switch switch switch, have separate crippling and damaging equip.
For that thana vs. inc. samurai. Thana works better at high def rates. If you dunno if enemy has high or low def, inc samurai gives you stable damage no matter what enemy is using.
@Relics: hm. Are you suggesting crit+inc.samurai? When you go crit, neither thana nor inc samurai affect the damage. I'm also lost about how you got the results. 2hydra 2TG should work better, 1.4*1.4=1.96, while 3+1 gives 1.6*1.2=1.92. Now if we throw in those 40% on DH...1.8*1.4=2.52, 2*1.2=2.4, there is a BIG difference. Thinking about it...I'd use one hydra, two TGs and skel worker. That custom headgear kinda changes things. And damage...well, I tried to replicate the damage as accurate as possible, and got over 36k damage with SB on vanberk...WITHOUT EDP. EDP boosts it on 144k. Damage you said you have might be result of using neutral damage against GR. Well, we all know how to prevent it, don't we?
One thing that matters much in deciding build. Do your server has max aspd 190 or higher? If it is higher, I'd suggest focusing on crit build. That would mean toss in more agi, and I'd buff up some vit too at the expense of dex.

Offline Ikmal91

Re: Double Dagger / Sonic Blow / Double Sword Crit
« Reply #5 on: Jun 10, 2009, 01:41 am »
does FBH actually works for SB, or Crit?

oh yeah....max aspd is 195, where ppl SPAM SB like all hell's gone loose LOL

the one thing i hate about more vit, is the AD spam. Once someone spams AD, i cant really go to them or cloak or even hide to grimtooth

im getting max dex and str for the max dmg i can attain.

and metalings doesnt work so well because everyone has FCP (donors mostly anyways) because of the donation item GOLDEN WING which enables the skill FCP lvl 5 and Repair Weapon Lvl 1.

most ppl has low def because of TGK (WHICH IS HELLA ABUNDANT)

SO, crit build. Which crit though? Katar or Double Sword?
if Double Sword, can u suggest a nicer card arrangement on my right and left hand?

because i tried my swords and the crit doesnt apply to everyone (ESPECIALLY SNIPERS)
and my crit rate is at 81, with vanberk on, it goes up to 181 which is very nice but it doesnt occur in every duel or WoE

its almost impossible to survive when someone uses SB at you when ur HP is only 200k, their SB probably does 25~30k per hit on me. PER HIT 25x9 = 225k which kills me in one shot, this is why i need all ur advice.

and grimtooth with EDP does like....45~60k for the donors.

and about the magic, most ppl go for anti elemental because of the 12 slots in the headgear. they'll just wear hella lots of leaf cat or leib olmai, maybe even giant hornet and giearths.

@Sarin why 1Hydra,2TG,1Skel? = 1.2*1.4*1.15=1.93
while 2TG,2Hydra = 1.4*1.4 = 1.96
wouldnt the 2TG 2 Hydra increase dmg better?

Offline Orange

Re: Double Dagger / Sonic Blow / Double Sword Crit
« Reply #6 on: Jun 10, 2009, 02:31 am »
Get more vit, Enough to survive a single SB

I'd suggest going with sonic blow, crit build doesn't seem like it will kill people effectively
Do you guys have berries in pvp or woe? And lastly try to get GR/devi(suicidal if theres a sinx around) for asura/AD

Dual swords would be best for crit build, But again I would say go SB : d
« Last Edit: Jun 10, 2009, 02:34 am by Orange »
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Offline Relics

Re: Double Dagger / Sonic Blow / Double Sword Crit
« Reply #7 on: Jun 10, 2009, 03:08 am »
@Sarin
I'm suprised too, but you should give it a try on the test server. 3 explosive 1 bloody just seems to do more..
Haven't tried skeleton worker yet though.

And no I was actually suggesting to drop the crit, but only if your enemy has mediocre armor defense.

edit:
To mimic the demi human 40%, I used a fedora bucket hat[1] with RC_DemiHuman,20
and sunnies[1] with RC_DemiHuman,20

I guess that explains why my triple explosive bloody did more..

triple explosive bloody jur + 40% DH
1.6 * 1.6 = 2.56
Double bloody double explosive + 40% DH
1.4 * 1.8 = 2.52

so depending on what the script is for that custom headgear.. either one is going to do more.
« Last Edit: Jun 10, 2009, 03:38 am by Relics »

Offline Ikmal91

Re: Double Dagger / Sonic Blow / Double Sword Crit
« Reply #8 on: Jun 10, 2009, 03:17 am »
i tried my SB on a GS with my +11 1TG 1Hydra 1 Thana 1 Phree

i did 45k per hit on the GS.

on a pally, i kill myself, but i do 78k per hit with SB

@Orange
yeah we have hella lot of berries and berries are abundant in WoE 1.0
most LKs spam berries like nobody's business

thats why i need all your advice and wisdom on how to become a full sonic blow type sinx with the right stats, and equips.

Boss cards are abundant and easy to obtain. Just tell me what to get.

oh yeah....what 8 cards do u suggest for my double sword crit?
« Last Edit: Jun 10, 2009, 11:29 am by Ikmal91 »