How can you solo a ghost incarnation morroc?

Leamee · Mar 13, 2011, 08:13 PM

Hey guys,
How could I painlessly kill the ghost inca morroc?
This is driving me slightly crazy. I need diablos ring x2, and while the current market price (~12M) is relatively low, no one is selling right now. I'd be more than happy to buy the darn thing and just be done, but sadly enough it doesn't work that way. I also need diablos manteau so yeah, I was wondering if there was a way to kill the things without making a new char.
I got snip 99/70, LK 99/70, WS 99/70, SL (lol) 99/50, sin almost 99.
My LK could try spiral I guess with endow whatever and a priest friend, but that's not soloing. I can't really pot and spiral at the same time given that the thing heals like no tomorrow and that every fricking second counts.
Any advice?
Edit: Ok what kind of SICK monster is this? When I EDP AND endow wind/fire/whatever I do 20K and the thing starts healing like there's no tomorrow. I can't make its hp drop below 100K...

mahawirasd · Mar 13, 2011, 11:17 PM

hunt diab mants with a champ (no, morph set will not suffice)

hunt ghost incarnations with an SG, +10 triple strouf book, BSB+shackles, raydric manteau, alice SB, magni's cap, odin's blessing. high str, high dex, rest vit. Bring loads of SP pot, use heat, set map set hatred.

-w-

Sarin · Mar 14, 2011, 06:18 AM

When hunting ghost morrocs, high ASPD is nescessary. If you get it high enough, you'll be able to interrupt its heal casting, making it essentially stuck trying to heal itself while you kill it.

Leamee · Mar 14, 2011, 06:43 AM

So is star glad the only way to go? I don't mind making one but I kind of had my heart set on champ. Moreover, we don't have a feel reset so does that mean I can only kill this thing on hatred days?

Sarin · Mar 14, 2011, 12:06 PM

SG is easiest, but not only way. I think you can get enough aspd from sinx and definitely from zerk LK.

Leamee · Mar 14, 2011, 03:34 PM

Ok thank you so much for the advice! I've never played a zerk LK before - my spiral LK could do 20K easy on the mob but the cast time ruins it all. When my Sin X is max lvl I'll reset full agi but I'll research zerk LK because I have no idea how to play one and/if it could tank ghost morroc long enough.

Sarin · Mar 14, 2011, 04:57 PM

Tanking isn't a problem, once a few hits land, he'll get stuck in heal attempts. Finding targets once you score a kill will be tho, since in zerk you can't use flywings, and most likely a weapon you will have won't be effective against other monsters there.

Leamee · Mar 14, 2011, 09:27 PM

You're right, ghost incas don't hit that hard and with decent flee I should dodge them half of the time. Which weapon/equips/stats would you recommend? I have a schweizersabel and a few decent swords like broad sword but I guess that a good ol' blade (properly carded of course) or some other weapon like a saber would do the job fine, right? I'd need to endow myself, TP to find a target and start killing. I have decent def gear like bone helm so I should be able to get 45+ hard def. I guess even aspersio would do as long as I don't use neutral. I truly hope that I'll be able to put enough vit to withstand the inca's attacks. Feel free to suggest a build/weapon/skills, that way I can play with the stats on RMS test serv and see if this is doable. Thanks again.

Wikebine · Mar 14, 2011, 09:48 PM

Quote from: Leamee on Mar 14, 2011, 06:43 AM
So is star glad the only way to go? I don't mind making one but I kind of had my heart set on champ. Moreover, we don't have a feel reset so does that mean I can only kill this thing on hatred days?

This is a common misconception about SGs. Heat only requires you to be on the map(or have miracle), the day doesn't matter.

Gene · Mar 14, 2011, 10:05 PM

Let's see..
These are random equips I made for a LK since I don't really know what items you have there, so change it if you wish.

Check the number of hits required and the average battle duration.

Immaterial sword
http://calcx.wushuang.ws/?cavbLbibJababavababEcaagGeaaaaaaaatneaaaaaaaapyhLgnaaeue3c7lybpfnaaiDaalRaaeeehamkkaaagffaabkbkkaaaaaabokaaah8aaaaHaaaa

Veteran Sword+Abysmal Knight+Aspersio
http://calcx.wushuang.ws/?cavbLbibIababavababKdaasReaFaaaaaatneaaaaaaaapyhLgnaaeue3c7lybpfnaaiDaalRaaeeehamkkaakgffakakbkkaaaaaabokaaah8aaaaHaaaa

Random carded Katana+Aspersio
http://calcx.wushuang.ws/?cavbLbibJababavababKdaaaLhaFaFgAgAtneaaaaaaaapyhLgnaaeue3c7lybpfnaaiDaalRaaeeehamkkaakgffakakbkkaaaaaabokaaah8aaaaHaaaa

There are some status points I have not used yet, feel free to add any of them.
Just a tip, like what is mentioned above, star glad is the ultimate hunter.

You can junk up a lot of AFKs on the side map in your party to get kihop bonus+use ghost elem+kill ghost guy in a few seconds. Also with miracle, it's above 10k damage per hit.

Kensei · Mar 15, 2011, 03:38 AM

Just get SinX or LK with high ASPD and HIT, it doesnt hurt but it'll heal when its HP is down to certain %. Use Bloody eater on LK or enchanted weapon on SinX. I leveled my zerk LK there and it's faptastic 8D

Leamee · Mar 15, 2011, 11:06 AM

Did you manage to kill all the monsters there with your LK? What kind of equips and stats did you have? I can defo get bloody eater and marionette card if need be. What does your skill tree look like for zerk LK lv 99? Oh and thanks for the links, I'll check them out when I'm home. You guys are really helping me out, thanks a lot! I can't wait to run tests when I get back home.

Kensei · Mar 15, 2011, 12:09 PM

I was using plain wool/tidal and bloody eater, designed to kill ONLY the ghost. If I face the other, I ran liek sassy gurl

and nope, as long as you have berserk and bloody eater, also 180+ ASPD, I think you can do it.

Leamee · Mar 15, 2011, 12:36 PM

I'll use hermode cap to get two more aspd points. Thanks for the details. Would something like 80 str 80 agi 50 dex + bsb and shackles work? I also got overupped wool and tidal. I need to farm 2 diablos rings for my future champ so yeah. Hopefully I can get the bloody eater asap and start farming. I'll get my slave HP out and buff myself before going zerk. Can you use zerk potion while in zerk mode?

Sarin · Mar 15, 2011, 12:58 PM

Why the hell you want to use zerk in agi build? It's either zerk and vit build, or agi build and no zerk, since zerk gets you to 190 aspd with little to none agi.

Kensei · Mar 15, 2011, 01:18 PM

Oh take a look at this :

http://calcx.wushuang.ws/pvp.html?caFbLbiaeblbzbuababapaqpwfafafafaalkea4aaaaaakXaad7aYuXpHbnpKgCpNgKlYbMlYcveeeeaekkkkbkkaaaaaaaabaaaavaabaaahahaaahaaaaaHaRaP

LMAO 1 Base AGI is enough to get 190 ASPD on zerk LK xD

Leamee · Mar 15, 2011, 01:43 PM

Wait I'm confused, this is a gypsy's stats. I don't think I'm able to open the right link haha. Interesting though, this gypsy could kick a$$.

Golden · Mar 15, 2011, 06:06 PM

You don't solo it, usually.

And besides, parties are more fun, right?

Sarin · Mar 15, 2011, 07:21 PM

More fun, yea. Available on that server when needed? That's the question.

Leamee · Mar 15, 2011, 07:47 PM

Edit: A friend dropped Bloody Eater for me and I bought 2 Atroce Blades. I also bought vesper core attack as bradium ring is buggy on our serv. I'll try out a build on RMS test serv in a few minutes if I manage to frickin log on.

Edit 2:

QuoteWhy the hell you want to use zerk in agi build? It's either zerk and vit build, or agi build and no zerk, since zerk gets you to 190 aspd with little to none agi.

My bad Sarin, thanks for correcting me, I'm always happy to listen to constructive criticism, makes me learn a lot

Plus I'll need all the vit that I can get to tank the ghost morroc inca so it makes sense.

Edit 3: Yay, it works! Thank you so much guys! Even with a basic bloody eater (not +4, no mao guai card or AK card), I can still manage to kill the thing quite fast. Of course, AK+AK or Mao guai+Mao guai and bathory armor would be ideal.
I do have bathory and I believe that it'll help me withstand the inca's hits.
Do you think that LKs can solo other incas? I'm thinking the creep is doable.

Edit 4: Okay, I take that back. Ghost inca is the only LK-friendly one. Tanking the other monsters is just impossible.

QuoteYou don't solo it, usually.

And besides, parties are more fun, right?

Yeah well, people usually solo just about everything on our serv. I'm talking gloom under night and other high-tier MVPs. Our community likes to kill stuff alone, including valk randgris who is always dead, or boitata and what-not. It's not that they have godly equips because MVP cards are rare (0.05% MVP card drop including ghostring, angeling, deviling) but they just die, heal and come back.

The average player's idea of partying is either using a DA Priest or bringing a real friend priest to watch or help. Yes, watch OR help. We're measly level 99/70 players but I must admit that even I am starting to take care of bigger monsters myself, just because sometimes they're a complete pain when for example you're in moscovia with a lowel level char and you run into gopinich. I tried soloing gopinich on my LK and that went badly - 25K fire breath ftw - so I always end up getting the old sniper out to clean the map. I've seen many friends kill harder MVPs like that (not gopinich) out of frustration because they want to leech themselves/ DA/ drop and hate running into whatever boss is on the map.

Moreover, New World is implemented but we don't have 3rd classes, so I started soloing all of new world on my sniper. It's like when bio 3 first got out: players were like "we're going to find a way to kill those monsters alone". There was the big grim scandal and that's why gravity added demons to the map. IMO it was an excellent idea but people still found a way to go there alone.

QuoteMore fun, yea. Available on that server when needed? That's the question.

It's near-impossible to find a decent party, yeah. Even if you have a guild, getting people to MVP or to go to dimensional gorge is a nightmare. Moreover, we all have greedy merchants who'd rather sell the drops for a hefty price than share them with a party. After all, it makes sense: diablos manteau is worth 20M-25M right now, and diablos ring isn't sold by any merchant atm so if I put it up for 20M it'd probably be gone in a day.
To be honest, I spent way over 100M in the last couple of days and I'm about to spend more money but I'm in dire need of some cash, so I'm seriously hoping that once I drop a few rings for myself (HP and Champ) I can sell the others for a good price.
AK card hasn't dropped into my lap yet and it doesn't want to drop. I'll probably need to kill about 1K AKS before I get my first card, so I'd rather just buy one.

Sarin · Mar 15, 2011, 09:48 PM

Sounds like quite a screwup...WoE oriented server? Cause it sounds like one, people just looking to get high level gears and not really interested in anything else.

As for those soloing...good gear and you can take on the human-ish and perhaps golem shadows, but angels will always be out of your reach...

Kensei · Mar 16, 2011, 12:18 AM

>_> forgot to save link.

but yah lv 99/70 LK can get 190 ASPD with low base agi and moderate gears

Leamee · Mar 16, 2011, 03:08 AM

I guess it's a Woe-orientated server because we have BG and people keep farming it. The average pvp-er has valk armor+diablos set+the cards I have (ray, alli, hydra, thara, etc). I doubt that zerk will help me solo the creep or the golem as zerk equals 0 def. The Angel is killable as a champ, I've seen people do it, however I don't know how they manage to land an asura in before getting OS-ed. Beats me. Does someone know? Anyhow I'll keep patiently killing the ghost incas till I drop 2 rings, might take a good couple hours or more for a single one but at least I can solo them. I don't particularly like my serv, at least the woe bg part of it but I don't mind soloing. Plus let's be honest everyone "should" learn how to play champ or snip for farming reasons (IMO if you don't have fun don't play a char) so I'd have made one sooner or later anyway. I'm looking forward to playing champ and to using my LK again in zerk mode. If anyone knows how to solo the angel on a champ (asura heal asura) please feel free to chip in. The Valk dishes out 28k of dmg each time I get near her.

Kensei · Mar 16, 2011, 05:55 AM

It's really hard to kill the angel using champ due to the fact the angel loves to use Pulse Strike. Unless the champ has very fast cast and speedpotting.

As for LK, killing others than the ghost will need lots of effort. Most LK kills the ghost for the ring.

freakyred · Mar 16, 2011, 06:41 AM

If dual clienting is allowed in your server, that might be the reason they could cast fast. What I used to do is dual a bard and dancer for service and bragi then tele until I find an angel and asura it. With the right gears you could kill it in one asura.

Sarin · Mar 16, 2011, 09:16 AM

Multiclienting is allowed I presume, otherwise soloing Randgris and some other high-tier MvPs is impossible.

Leamee · Mar 16, 2011, 12:29 PM

It is allowed, but I'm not experienced when it comes to DA. And most champ kill the valk inca morroc in 2 asuras without DA-ing or using speed pots. How the heck do they do it? Oh and freakyred, what gears are you talking about? I did a lot of research and couldn't find a way to os the valk inca, not even the other ones (minus the creep). I guess I could SL myself and use kyrie eleison but still. By the way, how do you make a good FO/investigate champ and where could I level? I plan on making my char once I drop the rings or in an hour and I'm slightly lost.

Gene · Mar 16, 2011, 01:57 PM

Quote from: Leamee on Mar 16, 2011, 12:29 PM
It is allowed, but I'm not experienced when it comes to DA. And most champ kill the valk inca morroc in 2 asuras without DA-ing or using speed pots. How the heck do they do it? Oh and freakyred, what gears are you talking about? I did a lot of research and couldn't find a way to os the valk inca, not even the other ones (minus the creep). I guess I could SL myself and use kyrie eleison but still. By the way, how do you make a good FO/investigate champ and where could I level? I plan on making my char once I drop the rings or in an hour and I'm slightly lost.

with Dual:
1) Gospel+Gypsy SP dance = possible 1 hit on ANY inca except ghost

2) Gospel x2 sp + atk bonus + +20 all stats = possible 1 hit

3) SP dance only = 2 hits

without:
proly +10 kaleet with 3 AK, variants, proxy, etc etc

Leveling an investigate build champ..Sleepers arent bad.

If you have earth fist, you could 1 hit FO hill winds. <<Only do that if you have a fast cast champ and warp port+healer

Leamee · Mar 16, 2011, 03:26 PM

Okay. This is really intriguing. There's a guy who manages to asura double the valk's hp, he says he's got the highest dmg asura of the serv. Apparently his accessories and cards (in accessories) + card in the orleans's uniform are what make him so powerful. He doesn't have any MVP or mini boss card, I asked. And apparently he doesn't use variant shoes, he uses sohee + valk shoes instead because "it gives him a bonus". This is driving me crazy,, I just want to os the valk and the guy does double the damage.