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[luna1990]

now i have a lvl98 LK spiral type i thinking of delete it and make a sb type sinX can anyone give me a suggestion ? make sinX or LK better?

[laecertus]

LK IS BETTER ,JEEEEZZZ

[luna1990]

LK IS BETTER ,JEEEEZZZ

how come??

[laecertus]

LK IS BETTER DUN ASK
1-MORE HP MORE MORE SINX 99VIT= 10k   lk= more than 17k hp :p
2skills- sinx what breaker ? nahh cheap skill
LK: wow WTF SPIRAL PIERCE WOW GREAT AND BERSERK O HAY (to some lk guy in guild) going frenzy on emp huh !!
so what and super def at that :p
dun compare cheap sinx with great LK

[Blandastig]

of course you could go to a high rate server, where my lk, has 327k hp, of course a sinx on the same server kills me everytime in pvp with thana card. lol

[Slaw]

LK IS BETTER DUN ASK
1-MORE HP MORE MORE SINX 99VIT= 10k   lk= more than 17k hp :p
2skills- sinx what breaker ? nahh cheap skill
LK: wow WTF SPIRAL PIERCE WOW GREAT AND BERSERK O HAY (to some lk guy in guild) going frenzy on emp huh !!
so what and super def at that :p
dun compare cheap sinx with great LK

Dude... dont speak up if you dont know what you're talking about. Since when were LK's better than SinX'es? They're two completely different classes. Maybe the LK has more raw strength and durability, but the SinX has cloaking to his advantage. And yeah, have fun fighting a SinX with EDP activated. Also, super def on a LK? Sure, they get decent def, but it's not -that- important in the end. Most classes have attacks that ignore def anyways. And to be honest, I wouldnt ever want more than 50-55 def. I prefer not being a walking Monk/Champ target. Also, as a SinX, you have the neat WoE advantage of being able to stealth your way through the enemy's frontlines. Goodluck being stealthy with a goddamned LK. SinX is also easier to level, and one of the best item hunters in the game. You'll also be a killer machine as long as you can afford EDP potions. Oh yeah, Spiral Pierce's great, right? Shame it's ranged and gets nerfed like hell in WoE. Berserk removes all your def, and flee. Have fun dieing right away. 'Sides, as a LK, you'd draw alot of attention to yourself, seeing as you're easy to hit, you deal alot of damage, and you're effin' huge. SinX'es arent that heavily targetted.

If I got to choose between a LK and a SinX, I'd go for the SinX. Any day.

[laecertus]

stealth HUH no stealth sight is tha man holong card :/
EDP,,?? so what about a berserker with a good wep and a berserker potion DIE SINX

[Slaw]

stealth HUH no stealth sight is tha man holong card :/
EDP,,?? so what about a berserker with a good wep and a berserker potion DIE SINX

Uh, Sight has a pretty small area of effect if you havent noticed. EDP adds 400% damage to almost all of the assassin's attacks. Considering a Sonic Blow's already 800% damage, prepare to get one hell of a beating. Berserker... they are sad. Just stone curse, or dispell. Or well, trap 'em and wait for them to get low on HP. They're easy to deal with.

[luna1990]

hey SB(sonic blow)+edp sinX with SL(soulLink) 1 sb the dmg like asura u know?

[laecertus]

not that YOU A SINX CAN USE DISPEL :/ and u cant go stealth with a soul linker :/

[luna1990]

not that YOU A SINX CAN USE DISPEL :/ and u cant go stealth with a soul linker :/

hmm if u is playing idun server u go pvp waiting room see , most of those guild have a soullink and a h priest help ++
and the professor with see a sinX with Sl mean  kena sonic blow liao , so i think i making a sinX


thank you guy for giving  me some sugesstion

[Faustis]

simple, LK gets raped by SinX with ice picks

[dook]

sinx is an extremely badly balanced character (well most trans are unbalanced but sinx takes the biscuit) i miss the days b4 trans when pvp was fun.

sinx is clearly better, cos its easy to play, but an LK should beat a sinx outside of woe if they are a good player and have the right equipment for it. woe is a crit/edp sinx heaven due to no pushback. just watch out for traps, snipers and fast casters ie precast sinx doesnt last long in the precast

[NikitaDarkstar]

Lol frenzy LK's is probably the saddest thing I've ever seen in woe, sure it has soem huge advantages but they die so fast it's sad. My old lvl 96 sin (low rate) could deal with frenzied lvl 90+ LK's simply cause most pepole who don't know how to play that class think frenzy is the answer to everything.. jsut avoid getting hit and sonic blow when you get the chance.. or crit away (nat crit.. but SB'd pretty well once we got sonic acceleration).. frenzy is letterary a suicide attack and won't really get you that far.. esepcially not against a sinX. (depending on build ofcourse.. I'm quite fond of high agi nat crit builds personally)..now lets see as a LK you will most likley need special weapons to be able to hit a high flee sinX decently, the sinX on the other hand.. EDP+Sonic Blow and an infiltrator (extra 50% against demi humans if you didn't know..) will hurt you alot.. 3-4 hits like that will do considerable damage even against an LK.. especially a frenzy LK who currently has 0 def.. yhea I rest my case..

(Ok I admit there are a few pepole who actually know what they are doign when they frenzy in WoE, but they seem to be few and far between)

Oh and yhea sinX's don't mix well with precasts (SD/Breaker might be a minor exception due to the nature of their builds), thats why any smart sin/sinX lets the tanks go first..

[laecertus]

frenzy =emp BREAKER

[NikitaDarkstar]

frenzy =emp BREAKER

lol no, high speed crit sin = emp breaker, frenzy = pwnd by all the spells and defenders that usually gather aroudn the emp when the brekast is broken..

[ClothoX]

I play priestess, and i own LKs because along the line they go on frenzy and kill themselves while i keep on my 2.7k healing.

but the topic is spiral Lk right?

and i don't agree with slaw at all.  A good LK can own sinx anyday.  actually if both classes are played well, i say LK > SinX.  Is true SB can deal as high as asura, but are you going to be soul linked all the time? A good LK can survive up to 3 or 4 SB while sinx can barely survive 2 spiral even with high vit. 
Who said LK can't hide? that's exactly what smokie card is for.  Who said there is no card like maya purple around? is all about switching equips and chance.  Because neither class have healing power, and the hp of LK is triple that of sinx, even though sinx might deal a lil high dmg. I say LK is probably stronger.

Not to mention those pecos run faster than you walk.

but personally, sinx do have a lot of tricks and such, and it is a heck lot more fun to play with than LK.

[NikitaDarkstar]

Well if we're talking cards, ghostring armour for the sinX is a nice touch... And the LK don't have tripple the amount of HP the sinX does.. a little less than the doubble actually, ok still a significant difference, but well LK's are meant to be able to take blows well a sinX is meant to avoid takeing them (with some exceptions depending on build ofcourse..). Maya purple is nice yes (and extremly annoying).. but you can only see the cloaked person, not hit him. And well a sinX with lvl 10 cloak moves as fast as an LK on a peco if he sticks to the walls, which requires a little more skill than jumping on a peco ofcourse, but it's intierly possible to run down an LK (aslong as it's not extremly open castelst.. I find it easiest to do in the alde castels...)

And actually the topic only was that LK is better than sinX, no questions asked. I'd say their somewhat equal depending on build in a WoE situation, in pvp I really can't say cause well I don't pvp much at all.

But I'm still going to stand by what I said, frenzy knights in WoE = 95% noobs who don't know what they're doing. 5% might actually be good enough to know what they're doing and to pull it off.. but most of those got sense enough to not use frenzy in WoE

[ClothoX]

SinX > Lk in woe, just cuz most LK go on frenzy x__x and i don't blame them, sometimes there breaking emp thingie really do safe the guild.

no maya purple only lets u see, but horong clip nicely discloses u.  personally, when i play sinx, most of the LK gets owned, but theory wise...they shouldn't be x__x and good LKs are extremely strong (personal experience).  I should try LK sometimes, most of the time i quit due to its boringness

[jinsern035]

Lol, You can say sinx is better when lk full vit. 1st use ice-pick , when he berserk change to grimtooth! =]

[dook]

i like breaking their weapon when they frenzy, just so thay stand there like a lemon

[NikitaDarkstar]

True ClothoX, but you didin't mention a horong card in your previous post

And well in theory LK's should be better yes, but knights and sins got one issues.. there are alot of them, and there are alof of noobs and newbies playing them, but yes a correctly played, well equipped LK is a frightful thing.. even if I will always dispise pallys more (yes I got an issue with pepole who throw shields at me XD)... but also in theory sins aren't exactly weak either.. but when it comes down to it it all depends on who sits behind the keyboard, dosn't it?

[ClothoX]

i like breaking their weapon when they frenzy, just so thay stand there like a lemon Cheesy

hehe, one of the two things can happen, they break ur weapon first, or you break their weapon first.

@NikitaDarkstar

agreed! most ppl either start as swordsmen or theif class don't they? yes definitely plenty of noobs.  The range of noob-pro amuses me on the usage of sinx.  Some sinx sink so low that even a super novi can own them (mainly cuz they can't even hit the super novi -cough-)  While some even pose a threat to pallies.  And we all know sinx really do hate pallies -__-

As for LK, their noobness is somewhat disguised by their HP.
Sinx are definitely not weak, being the class that has the second highest HP if vit is maxed, it gives them an scary potential.  But on low rate, there is no chance a sinx can max vit, however, on high rate, is a whole other story. 

o btw, you hate pallies? i hate them too  have you ever asura-ed a pally with orc lord on and reflect shield? 70% (or was it 75%, or 90%, can't remember exact) of that damage is reflected back at you.  While you get pawned, they still sit on top of their peco (or stand there) and laugh at u

not to mention they heal themselves and got like same hp as knights -__- and they can cure >.>
-heal is umber annoying! especially when they got max int, one heal is 2k!!!-
not to mention grandcross is really a killer if u get stone cursed -__-
not to mention shield chain own u so good at a distance away -__-
not to mention shield bombrang make you back up 5 cells? or was it 10? -__-
not to mention auto guard pisses you off half of the time! FTW, IT BLOCKS ASURA >.>
not to mention some of their stupid skills never miss, such as gloria domini and sacrifice (matyr reckoning)
not to mention gospel takes away strip -__-
not to mention they shift styles while battling, first use shield chain, make u put on a gr, then use grand cross on you to make you change to an angeling, and then use sacrifice, back to neutral -__- *pawned*

definitley the most well rounded class there is in RO.  If played well, it can own pretty much any class.  But it seems to me that presently, creator seems to give pally the most pain.

but a problem with them pallies is they always run out of sp.  One heal is 30, gc sacrfice is 100.  shield chain is 40.  so a dark priest card works nicely ^__^.

Pallies with 2 pharaoh cards = pawnage -__-

[NikitaDarkstar]

Heh having been on melee def in WoE alot (the other freakin sins in my guild didn't get venom dust ><) I've kind of learned how to deal with GC, zoom in alot and be quick to use hide..

And well I havn't tried to asura a Pally cause I never botherd with getting an asura monk (don't like monks for some reason.. akward to play.. even if I'm fine with takewons.. odd).. but I've sonic blowed a pally with an orc lord card while using an infiltrator.. and edp... well atleast it entertained one of us right?


And well creators is a major pain for anyone "Oh look a problem! *acid demo* hmm.. not a problem anymore"..

But for a melee class Pallys is extremly freakin annoying.. I saw one take out a sniper in pvp once using shield boomerang (ok to the snipers defense the pally was using a custom shield that ways 3500...).. I mean come on the range of that skill is just silly.. and rapid smiting ok not great range.. but like it matters.. and in WoE situations it's almsot suicide to go up against a pally if you're running without effects (like I usually did.. 2 hours of standing in a precast X..x) cause you kind of miss alot of the things you don't really want to miss..

And just for the record, if I had been able to actually get to sinX and max it on euphRO(3/3/2) before it closed my sinX would have had a little over 11k HP, 185 aspd and still a damn good crit rate and 90str, fully equipped, unbuffed ofcourse.. but ok an 99/70 LK usually has around 20k.. but still 11k isin't that bad considering a sinX has a better flee rate than an LK (ok flee helps sooo much against wizzies and pallys.. *cough* *cough* *dies*)

[CxJob]

Yeah, of couse flee help much, but sometimes they use phreeoni, phreeoni FTW!

[ClothoX]

in pvp/woe situations, most ppl nowadays invest full dex into their builds.  For any class i make sure my dex  is always around 100.  (that or phree -__-)  so flee nowadays....i dunno, i personally only put agi for aspd.  Flee is a nice secondary thing is how i feel.  I rather invest in vit than flee. 
I guess, this also depend on class, investing vit for a super novi would be kinda retarded...

but for pvm, is a whole other thing 

[Mann]

LK IS BETTER DUN ASK
1-MORE HP MORE MORE SINX 99VIT= 10k   lk= more than 17k hp :p
2skills- sinx what breaker ? nahh cheap skill
LK: wow WTF SPIRAL PIERCE WOW GREAT AND BERSERK O HAY (to some lk guy in guild) going frenzy on emp huh !!
so what and super def at that :p
dun compare cheap sinx with great LK

99 Of almost any stat is a waste of points. Maybe not for DEX, but if you are not getting the stat bonuses, you're definitely wasting stat points.

Assassin Crosses and Lord Knights are both great classes. Each has it's ups and downs.

It seems most of you don't know any good Lord Knights on the servers. Forgetting that a Lord Knight can go mixed, and not just Spiral Pierce or Frenzy alone. A lord knight has enough skill points to get both. If they don't like spiral pierce, they can grab Bowling  Bash + Spear Boomerand and Pierce. Two-handed quick is an obvious because of bowling bash. Have any of you forgotten you can use battlemode to switch weapons and armor with ease? Using skills before frenzy is the way to go. That way the Lord Knight won't waste so much SP, and will  have an instant heal + HP bonus when he/she needs it.

[ClothoX]

yes, bm is handy for lord knights.  and i don't know really how many players use bms, but for me /bm is the first thing i type when i get on, or else my priestess can't do anything >__>

for LK, is there dmg, a trial of skills then frenzy with 10k or more hp. 

but can we end with the conclusion that High Priestess > every class in ro? ^__^ 

-cough-

jk

[Mann]

yes, bm is handy for lord knights.  and i don't know really how many players use bms, but for me /bm is the first thing i type when i get on, or else my priestess can't do anything >__>

for LK, is there dmg, a trial of skills then frenzy with 10k or more hp. 

but can we end with the conclusion that High Priestess > every class in ro? ^__^ 

-cough-

jk

Battlemdoe is useful for any class.

[NikitaDarkstar]

I usually don't find BM that usefull (for my main which is a sinX).. cause I dont' really use that many skills, I do however rely on beeing able to communitcate properly, with /bm that ends up beeing abit tricky (atleast for me >..>)..

Andyway ClothoX I hope you don't get 100 dex on server with 99 max stats (normal/lowrate servers), unless your an archer or mage class..

[Mann]

I usually don't find BM that usefull (for my main which is a sinX).. cause I dont' really use that many skills, I do however rely on beeing able to communitcate properly, with /bm that ends up beeing abit tricky (atleast for me >..>)..

Andyway ClothoX I hope you don't get 100 dex on server with 99 max stats (normal/lowrate servers), unless your an archer or mage class..

You'll find battlemode useful if you do armor/weapon switching, item usage, and using more than 5 skills. If you're just attacking, not much need for it in the first place. Like a crit sin.

[NikitaDarkstar]

*grins* bingo, crit sin... and on low rates I never really had any armours to switch between.. it's first on highrates I got that... and for skills.. nah not that many, cloak, venom dust, sonic blow, enchant poisoni, hide and actually grimtooth *Shrugs* it was usefull for a while but meh it isin't really anymore.. just a bad habit I guess... on top of that I also got healing items ofcourse and a few weapons hotkeyed.. and I've been doing just that stuff for a long time ^^

[ClothoX]

BM is awesome!! it rulz...!!

i dunno, i use it for everything, all my herbs, white pots, fw, bw are on there -__-

[pintakasi]

hey! whats your char?