Hi! im not very set in the ways of renewal but i was wondering if theres possibly something other then gx/ranger that can roll high agi ctrl clicker on mvps? pretty high rate server but its only for friends as of now so i dont have the option to buy cool stuff because there is none crit builds is valid i just would like something with high aspd
equips is always helpful but keep in mind the inabillity to buy stuff whatever i want to use i have to get for myself
thanks in advance
Rune Knight can do it if you're just MVPing. Frenzy with the 3x damage rune, ASPD rune. Snake Hat. Using Pertz set and I think Muramasa? I forget the exact names of the 2-handed swords, there might even be something better weapon wise. When RE first came out this was a very popular way of doing low/mid-tier MVPs.
alright what kind of stats are you looking at if thats the case? and how do you deal with the mvps slaves?
I've seen people do it just by kinda balancing out all the stats, since they aren't as valuable in RE. Your AGI doesn't need to be too high, but never hurts to have it some what higher with this kind of build. The slaves are unimportant since they do such a low amount of damage anyways.
hmm. how about an ASPD royal guard focusing on Banishing Point.
I saw a build like this a few months back and I'd say it's really strong.
VP works, its faster and stronger than auto attacking with a RK. Lotta button smashing tho. RG in general has alot of quirky fun things it can do in PVM like Overbrand spam with Bragi and watch as MVPs take all 3 hits and fall over, using RD wit Kaahi and Moonie dagger and afking vs Beelze before the RD nerf, or one shotting things in thors with EB and watching the damage come out weird from integer under/overflow.
And you'll still have the pally buffs that could even make you an efficient tank/killer in WoE ( saying you have the proper gears and switches)
ok cool now ive started on the rk so ill roll with that i got the peuz set down im not entierly sure whats so great about it but where do i go from there equipment wise? remember anything i get i have to get myself if i cant kill it i cant get it
and what kind of stat spread am i looking at
with Mora sets, it'll yield better enchantments once it's +9 and above. For an RK honestly, I'd go with Ur set since it has damage redux, hp increase an effing strong Hundred Spear which you could partner with KVM spears because of the 0 weight. Another plus would be you could efficiently use DB as well.
Pertz set it to autocast storm blast
http://ratemyserver.net/index.php?page=re_item_db&comid=112 (http://ratemyserver.net/index.php?page=re_item_db&comid=112) it doesnt say anything about autocasting stormblast?
also i know about hs/db build etc but thats not the point of this thread.
what im curious about is what kind of equipment i should get now
ps. cant get kvm weapon etc since i cant go bg against myself
Quote from: Raxxahaxxa on Feb 15, 2014, 04:36 AM
http://ratemyserver.net/index.php?page=re_item_db&comid=112 (http://ratemyserver.net/index.php?page=re_item_db&comid=112) it doesnt say anything about autocasting stormblast?
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QuoteHas a chance of activating Storm Blast and Spear Dynamo and adding 2 Aspd while physically attacking.
alright hopefully that will work on this server does it take the stormblast from my runes or can it be used if i dont have any?
Its not supposed to use your runes, it does complain to the admin lol. It will still factor in your Rune Mastery level for damage scaling though.
alright cool so where do i go from here in terms of gear? peuz set + masamune atm nothing else of note
if someone rather talk to me straight up thats alright aswell skype marcusforsman
update got an alca bringer for a weapon so i guess weapon wise im fine
hoping to getting input on the rest of the equipment
still reguire help if someone is willing
does equipping other 2 handed swords won't let you reach 193 aspd? I'm thinking like in the lines of Krasnaya for damage for the 3 slots it gives or Violet Fear if you guys are doing endless. I believe the accesories are slotted so put in gold scaraba cards or utility cards.
CEB for headgear with either duneyr card or seyren card(not the mvp)
thanks for the reply ceb is more of a pvp hat tho right? this character will never pvp at all so theres no need to pay heed to that so what helm would i use instead for pvm/mvp only? also i got no acess to violet fear if i want to get something i have to get it myself, now with an +8 alca bringer and peuz set two handed quickening berserker potion and berserking + 60 base agi i get only to 168 aspd
tested with 100 base agi still only reach 175 nowhere close to 193
Quote from: Raxxahaxxa on Feb 18, 2014, 01:05 PM
thanks for the reply ceb is more of a pvp hat tho right? this character will never pvp at all so theres no need to pay heed to that so what helm would i use instead for pvm/mvp only? also i got no acess to violet fear if i want to get something i have to get it myself, now with an +8 alca bringer and peuz set two handed quickening berserker potion and berserking + 60 base agi i get only to 168 aspd
tested with 100 base agi still only reach 175 nowhere close to 193
Wondering how you have distributed your STATS. Tell us please (level, stats cap).
Considering what I know (since you said it) and general Renewal server features ...
100 to AGI ... what's your server STATS cap? 120? If you aim to the higher ASPD put the largest AGI that provides it (EXAMPLE: AGI 120+Bonus provides 181 ASPD and 117+Bonus still provides 181 ASPD, go for AGI 117+Bonus).
If you are going pure CRIT remember to not give tons of DEX, would be just a waste (not a good portion of ASPD is providen as pre-RE).
I would not use a 2H Sword if Frenzy type: Frenzy don't stacks with 2H Quicken, so the ASPD bonus is not doubled. I'd rater use a 1H Sword + Shield (-5 ASPD but +40% protection from MvPs due to Alice ... consider your DEF/MDEF are dropped to 0 while in Frenzy status).
I did some test with a Char Simulator ... I'd go for this (http://calcxre.wushuang.ws/?caVcxaYbMb6bsaEaba8Ecaaj2aaPaaaaaalnadTaaaaaacshLgjhLeutlaatobqlIbClZbJtwbPaaaaapkkaaagaabaaaaaaaaabaaacuaaaaHaaaa), I kept the level at 147, so you have some leftover points to adjust your build.
Dunno how reliable the simulator is, but I got around
182 ASPD (no Guarana Candy effect count in as for foods) and
89 CRIT (virtual 100 if Vanberk triggers, 109 if Phylla Triggers).
Things I cannot put/note into the simulator ...
On armor put any Elemental card (GR, Pasana, Dokebi ... ); Ancient Mimic could help ... some AGI is providen due to base LUK.
I've setted no headgear: use the one you likes much ... AGI, CRIT, ASPD ... look for slots: that's important.
On headgear card slots you can always use: 2x Vanberk OR Vanberk + Nightmare OR Vanberk + Phylla (I likes much this last one).
Also remember to give a try to Guarana Candy (not sure if stacks with Berserk Potion, always worth a try).
AGI/Bless and any AGI/DEX/LUK/STR STAT food (can use those card/Lunakaligo dropped) is welcome.
Let us know.
the top lvl is 160 and max stat is 125 i havent actually made the spec yet nor decided if full crit or not is the way to go
some things to add also is that peuz set does not have card slot for example the chest armor so no ancient mimic possible if im supposed to keep using the mora set
it seems not very plausible to reach 193 without some serious change if im not going to use alca bringer since my +8 alca bringer gives me 4 flat aspd and potentionally more when upgraded
I understand it with the alcabringer. Now I want to know what are the enchantments of your mora gears. Are they on 3 enchants ea with proper enchantments? kindly give a detailed one thanks!
okay then CEB is out of the picture, I'd say Abysmal Knight Helm for headgear if ever it is implemented in your server, if not, RWC Cap i think, i forgot the headgear name.
Dont use ROratorio for RE, its not even close and hasnt been updated in years. Use iROwikis.
I'm getting 185 ASPD on their calc with 1 AGI using alca and pertz set using basic aspd increasing items and 193 with Fighting Spirit and 40 agi. Use Dundyrr or Dark Ping... Seyren Windsor card has almost 0 use in RE. Headgears are whatever, get something with ATK or ASPD if you cant get a chick hat or snake hat.
I think the ASPD mods are slightly incorrect, but still pretty close. I havent talked to the calc maker in a while so I can't confirm/deny.
theres no enchants on it so far because i dont know what it should be nor do i have that massive amount of mora coins needed to get optimal enchants i guess (i might have missed someway to get mora coins)
but to me it seems not plausible to get the amount of mora coins needed in a short period of time
and on the topic of stats spread i havent set them yet because im using another build to farm stuff for it couldnt possibly kill queen scaraba for alca for example
also on the topic of "basic aspd increasing items" what are these? apart from berserker potion i dont know what else is basic
Quote from: Astraeos on Feb 18, 2014, 04:46 PM
Dont use ROratorio for RE, its not even close and hasnt been updated in years. Use iROwikis.
I'm getting 185 ASPD on their calc with 1 AGI using alca and pertz set using basic aspd increasing items and 193 with Fighting Spirit and 40 agi. Use Dundyrr or Dark Ping... Seyren Windsor card has almost 0 use in RE. Headgears are whatever, get something with ATK or ASPD if you cant get a chick hat or snake hat.
I think the ASPD mods are slightly incorrect, but still pretty close. I havent talked to the calc maker in a while so I can't confirm/deny.
Thanks. Just found the Renewal one; Google always redirect me to iRO Wiki pre-RE one. x3
I tried at RMS test server with Alca Bringer and my build ... 193 ASPD is reached (
Berserk Potion + Guarana Candy + Fighting Spirit Rune + Frenzy) (http://oi59.tinypic.com/3495s8j.jpg). Problem is base CRIT (not that high, so must crossfingers for Vanberk trigger ... since you asked CRIT).
Peuz's Set seems not implemented yet, so I keep erroring. If I had a RK on some server around I'd try to get a set and test it ... even if I find hard to reach 193 ASPD with such set. Does Mora Enchants play a so important role over Peuz's Set?
it doesnt have to be a crit build persay and im uncertain how much of a diffirence the mora enchants do
mora enchantments are actually quite valuable. I once had a nab cloth on my GX with 2 Fighting Spirit 5s then an Atk+3%
well back to the topic at hand.
if not going for crit, reaching a higher aspd is very much possible since you're gonna go dex. Since it's renewal, Stat Foods+20 are quite alot since Genetics make them by 10s or higher so let's say you had an agi +20 and dex + 20 + guarinia and zerk pots. you could easily hit 180 aspd without zerk. I'm looking at a build I'm making that is at 187 aspd without zerk and not with an alcabringer.
Foods/AgiBless and RK buffs are all that's present, a total of 150 str/ 130 agi/ 120 dex and remaining stats to vit.
so i need to randomly get "fighting spirit" enchant 3 times on all my mora gear pieces?
http://irowiki.org/wiki/Mora_Enchants (http://irowiki.org/wiki/Mora_Enchants)
try looking in this one. sadly pertz set doesn't have the possibility of getting fighting spirits.
though you could get additional and crit % from the sharp 1-5 enchantments
getting a +9 mora gear gives you better enchantments
alright but that doesnt really help my aspd but im guessing i should go for crit then?
Quote from: Raxxahaxxa on Feb 19, 2014, 07:16 AM
alright but that doesnt really help my aspd but im guessing i should go for crit then?
The only purpose for CRIT is for DEF ignoring and "perfect hit".
Personally I'd first give a try to the full ASPD build ... if your dps is decent and allows you to kill as you wanna why get CRIT? Is always better keep things simple (and keep in mind barely you will get all at once).
Also: don't think CRIT will make your damage so better ... we are talkin about a 10~25% dmg difference.
I still think 193 ASPD dps > CRIT at lower speed dps.
Then up to you.
hmm. I just checked the pertz enchantment list and it seems almost every part of it could give you agi boost. That's why I advised the enchantments. You could get about 5-9 agi per equipments if you are lucky.
/no1
yeah i think crit would be good.
my concern is mvps with agi up its kinda hard to do anything with that unless u can crit right
Quote from: DiesIrae on Feb 19, 2014, 08:27 AM
The only purpose for CRIT is for DEF ignoring and "perfect hit".
Just pointing out that
CRIT at renewal does not ignore def. It's just +40% dmg or at least is what I remember to read [cant' access irowiki at the moment].
Quote from: Raxxahaxxa on Feb 19, 2014, 08:35 AM
my concern is mvps with agi up its kinda hard to do anything with that unless u can crit right
this one too. since MvPs would have that effin agi up and their flee rate would likely to skyrocket lol. for my suggestion try a build where you would be using slotted 2 handed swords rather than alca. the damage that the AK cards would give you is too much to ignore.
im happy to trade out the alca bringer but i loose a s*** ton of aspd if i do, now if i dont need the aspd from alca sure i can trade but unless i can make up for the loss i really cant
Quote from: Triper on Feb 19, 2014, 08:55 AM
Just pointing out that CRIT at renewal does not ignore def. It's just +40% dmg or at least is what I remember to read [cant' access irowiki at the moment].
Didn't knew this. o: Thanks for the info.
Okay since you're in renewal. I bet +20 foods are accessible due to how they are created by genetics by bulk. I'd advice you to get +20str/agi/dex for the foods
Agi/Bless from ABs
this is assuming you're on a 160/50 renewal server.
I didn't include any headgears on this one so you could still adjust to it.
total of 150 str (117 + 33)
total of 140 agi (112 + 28)
total of 110 dex (73 + 37)
100 base vit
HP is about 43k
Hit is 497 (enough to hit increase agi'd mvps)
Aspd is 188 without Zerk and without Alcabringer which I think is kinda good. (using a Krasnaya here)
you'd have to rely on Parrying for your defense and with Zerk as your final trump card.
This are all adjustable since I just set the gears without thinking of enchants, card input as well as the headgears.
This one is without rune stones as well. so damage as well as aspd would like increase
I believe +10 foods and +20 foods still stack? or was it changed? if so. then +30 stats it is for you.
http://calc.irowiki.org/?caVcKaYb3bYbMabblafEdaasSkaFaFaFaae5aaaaaaaaacsaad5aaeuynaayoaaypaayqaayqaaaaaaaskkaabfffakakbamfakaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaundefined (http://calc.irowiki.org/?caVcKaYb3bYbMabblafEdaasSkaFaFaFaae5aaaaaaaaacsaad5aaeuynaayoaaypaayqaayqaaaaaaaskkaabfffakakbamfakaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaundefined)
You can replace one of your accessories with a RoR. If I remember correctly, quag will dispell mvp agi.
Mora enchants are game breaking and can create a huge shift in power.
that would imply i can kill ifrit tho
Quote from: Raxxahaxxa on Feb 19, 2014, 03:03 PM
that would imply i can kill ifrit tho
You may be able to buy one from someone, I cant imagine them being too expensive in RE since Ifrit is a cupcake compared to how strong he is in preRE.
theres a private server with only like 5 players
no one has killed ifrit yet
something to add is theres a refine ticket on the server wich allow for basicly safe refine up to +8 not sure if that changes anything in gear choices but thought i might add that
well if it's like that. the more you could upgrade your mora gears to +9. Like with the stats I've shown and the calc. You could just put in agi bless then the +30 foods. you'd hit 193 aspd without zerk nor alcabringer
im wondering about the mora set it seems almost certainly better to not use it and use something else like that backpack thingy and stuff
Well you could opt to do that, since there's a +8 safe refine in your server. getting overupgraded heroic backpacks are easy. What's important to mora sets are their set effects as well as their enchantments that's why from what Astraeos said, with a good enchantments on a mora set, it certainly is game breaking, but it doesn't mean you're only limited to that choice.
i feel kinda limited with mora set unable to have elemental armors etc but what would you personally use? mora or not?