Well, I've not been playing RO for long. Only played on MyRO like 4 years ago, levelled a warrior to 36 or something then quit, got back on through private servers 3 years later.
I've seen people not want servers with trans classes in em because it "ruins the game" or something.
Would you veterans shine some light on this matter?
It totally renders 1v1 PvP imbalanced. Team based PvP (WoE) is more or less still fine though. Each class still has an important role to play.
Quote from: fluidin on Sep 13, 2008, 10:31 AM
It totally renders 1v1 PvP imbalanced. Team based PvP (WoE) is more or less still fine though. Each class still has an important role to play.
Mind elaborating on that?
i know lots of people hate EDP, its usually the complaint i hear the most about trans classes....
The most common complaints I hear are that they're overpowered and make second classes useless.
I don't agree with them whatsoever but that's my opinion, not yours :3
because they're overpowered...
EDP sinx...can kill most job... on 1v1...
sonic blow+edp= hurt
it makes second jobs looks useless...except wizard/ priest...I think.
since trans classes are expanded second, it's logical that they will outclass them.
Overpowered...well, the balance is okay on 1/1/1 server. But when you need certain, quite rare or many items to get extra strong attack, it is okay as long as you have to spend hours and hours getting it. But as the rates get higher, hunting for stuff like edp becomes much easier. Also...one EDP sonic sinX will not do much among hundreds of WoEing characters, but let him loose at low pop server...
But as experience taught me...superior player will win, even with inferior class ::D
Back when advanced classes weren't implemented, woe and pvp was so much fun. Trans classes reduces 5% of the fun and also ...yea....edp is kind of gay.
transing increases the DPS potential of nearly every class by a large percentage, but the demi human reduction gear as well as the HP percentages of trans classes are not scaled with this increase in power
before trans the only way to kill someone in one hit was with asura, and without Zen, 30% more SP, and a better job bonuses, a monk cannot get a quick, deadly asura and still have decent amounts of vit. if you have enough vit to resist stun decently on a plain monk, your asura will be slow and/or weak, this isnt the case with champions
after trans WoE/PvP revolve around one-shot KO mechanics entirely, the only class I can think of off-hand that actually straight up DPSes people is LK (1hq, SG carded blade, ridiculous BB dps), besides that the only way you'll ever die is to Asura, SB, Acid Bomb, or precasted EDP Grimtooth
to put this slightly into perspective, hitting a dude for over 1k in WoE before trans were around was impressive (and if you're hitting for less than 7k in trans woe you might as well not be hitting at all).
basically trans just changed the way the entire game works and a lot of people dont like the way it functions now, it's really hard to explain unless you've actually WoEd without trans but.... everything is just so unsatisfying. you never really work for anything, breaking an emp in a 50vs50 person fight with no EDP, no ice pick, no frenzy, no cursed water or any of that s*** takes an incredibly long time, is very stressful, and is quite rewarding when you finally break the emp/force the other guild out
it actually feels like you did something or really fought a battle, instead of everyone either dying on the first cell or zerg EDPing the emp down in 3 seconds
Ah, guess the 1v1 pvp thing was explained already ^
Actually, yes, direct killer classes are sinx, creos and champs, but some other classes are also lethal if used right. Mass SS sniping with the right build and buffs, Tarot card of fate spamming under poem, 190 aspd WS guillotine chopping, amongst others.
These days, in pvp a sinx SHOULD > all; if the players are of equal skill and gear, and the opponent does not have TGK, MP, etc, cards. I would say ro became more of a reflex based game than tactics based after trans.
Quote from: Johnny Dangerously on Sep 13, 2008, 10:52 PM
transing increases the DPS potential of nearly every class by a large percentage, but the demi human reduction gear as well as the HP percentages of trans classes are not scaled with this increase in power
Quote from: fluidin on Sep 14, 2008, 03:46 AMI would say ro became more of a reflex based game than tactics based after trans.
I think they summed it best.
Quote from: Littlechan on Sep 13, 2008, 12:32 PM
because they're overpowered...
EDP sinx...can kill most job... on 1v1...
sonic blow+edp= hurt
it makes second jobs looks useless...except wizard/ priest...I think.
On my LR Servers, they kill no one, especially on woe :/
Quote from: Rehael on Sep 15, 2008, 08:46 AM
Quote from: Littlechan on Sep 13, 2008, 12:32 PM
because they're overpowered...
EDP sinx...can kill most job... on 1v1...
sonic blow+edp= hurt
it makes second jobs looks useless...except wizard/ priest...I think.
On my LR Servers, they kill no one, especially on woe :/
are they using EDP? o.o? how can they kill nobody?
Hi all.
Well, I believe that this "balacing" in a game is much more complex than just a skill.
You can't really compare, the "balance".
As long as "all can kill all", like no class is anti all other class, then in my opinion it is balanced.
Maybe? :P
Good thing I don't care about any aspect of PvP whatseover
Thanks for shining some light on it guys.
Looks like off to look for a server with non-trans to test it out xD
All Advanced classes are really good
They open new doors to harder mvps...but there is a bit of bad
It kind of takes away MVP challenges, but most people find those hard anyway.
I find Trans classes to be fun, since I've already made a few on low-rates.
The bad isn't even close to overshadowing the good.
But that's just me