What ruined ragnarok?

Started by Latte, Oct 10, 2011, 01:01 PM

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Dean Stark

I see. Good points. I haven't been influenced much on 3rd jobs so I can't really tell why people hated them. Plus, I've been out of RO for a while.

yC

That's it.  Stop with the not so nice words to a specific group.  It is against the forum rules because it does not promote a friendly forum environment.  This is a topic worth a discussion and I don't want it to be locked here.  You can give example or share your experience of how some groups are ruining your gaming experience.  However, you must control your use of words and take out the baseless cursing. 

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Okay, the drive price up thing is nothing new.  Greed control what players do to make the most zeny.  If one group can do it, other groups can do it too.  I just see they got more people in their "group" to make it efficient for them to use this method.  It means we are out-numbered because RO isn't as popular in North America / Western Europe compare to in South American and Asia.  You can also blame it on geographical imbalance of players. 

If you have a way to make a lot of zeny in a short time, of course you will do it.  Remove the hacking, lying, hexing, cheating (which again if you know how would you do it?), if the destroy economy is done in a legit way that is allowed by the game itself, there is no one to take the blame other than the game is made that way or that we cannot get a group large enough to fight fire with fire.



Mitchuhide

In my opinion...

Inactive server owners who lack the communication with their GM team or players who have suggestions or needs that the owner should uphold.

Irritating players - But they've always been around

Bots bots bots - Where's the fun in letting a computer do your job?

Third jobs are a disgrace to RO...

Donate based servers are awful too...



But when it comes down to it... If the owner keeps active and continuously updates the server, maintains a fast host, etc... Any server could do well.

Anti-Static Foam Cleaner

Easy. Gravity ruined RO, since they're making the game.

Sure, you can blame the players but the players work with tools they're given. For example, when trans were released making entire non-trans part of the game f*** maningless, it's only logical most people would use whatever means necessary to skip it.

Genesis.

I have to agree with those who said third classes are what ruined RO. They just seem really problematic and I myself am not a fan of Renewal in general.

Usagimimi

On Gravity's end? Third Jobs, for sure. I think I posted this here already, but I'll say it again, and add something new:

L337 WoE Guilds and trolls. They totally ruined RO with their bad attitudes :X 'wasn't like that in 2006, it seems to be an epidemic since 2008.

leokimah

They got way too lazy with them it seems. RO2 better be damn amazing if it ever comes out of it's beta phase. There is no other logical reason for them to completely ruin their first one.

Introduction of the kafra shop in 2007 was definitely a bad idea, and it basically made all the official servers a pay2win game. The subscription was already bad enough. I know you got a bit of points every month after you paid your sub, but that's still doesn't change the fact people could buy stupid stuff that should have never been in the game to begin with especially for a 1x server.

As for the trolls. I really doubt that. Trolls seem to stay together or where the competition is. If you don't like WoE then don;' join a WoE server. Some servers and even some other games thrive on those type of people to survive. Try asking for help on the League of Legends forum. LOL

Usagimimi

Quote from: leokimah on Oct 25, 2011, 07:50 PMAs for the trolls. I really doubt that. Trolls seem to stay together or where the competition is. If you don't like WoE then don;' join a WoE server. Some servers and even some other games thrive on those type of people to survive. Try asking for help on the League of Legends forum. LOL

Ruined it for me. Because of them, servers nowadays are really easy-peasy, trying to adhere to them at all costs. You won't find any decent servers that aren't crapping materials out of BG, or that don't have cheap resets, etc. >>

:x RO was a social / fun game, and now it's not. I was on a server that had 450 for WoE in 2006 and it was fun, but it was the grindfest we loved back then. S'just crappy now. All servers are copies of each other because WoE Guilds / trolls demand easiness.

leokimah

Yeah i played eternityRO for awhile. Grindfest it was, but i was in high school and had the time for it so i was fine with the grind. The same with low rate servers like officials. I used to love partying with my friends and killing s*** or venturing deep into dungeons.  Thanatos tower anyone?. Good times I'll never forget and i thank RO for that at least.

As gravity started introducing little to no new content  things like MvPing, dungeon diving and everything else related to pvm became repetitive and boring. I was only interested in WoE at this point. Playing a server like eternityRO is impossible for me now while attending university and having a steady job. If it wasn't for servers like chronosRO and visionRO1 i would have quit this game years earlier.

RO is slowly dying and it's mostly gravity's fault while private servers feed this feeling with incompetent server admins. People get tired of having to start over every month.

RO lacks new blood. As it's current population gets older and finds less time to do these things.The more these type of servers are going to pop up. Also people have figured out it's an easy source of an income which is probably the main reason.

Trolls never really got to me since i deal with plenty of annoying and really stupid idiots in real life through work and school.  Something you can't escape. I just learned to deal with it.

Jocasta

RO in General was great, the only downfall I hated about ROs is the sometimes imbalanced Cash Items being showcased into the audience. No one can put up a definite price for such brandy items and sometimes the servers themselves are tempted to hold themselves for the cash.

In our local RO, pRO, most items (that are great) are always purchased through cash. Of course, the presence of cash items help the server, but with the prepaid loads available in a rampant manner, I do not see why they must cast high prices for the items.

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Anthor

for my opinion I thing most of players of ragnarok were veteran and getting old, used to play the game a the pre-renewal style,
the game had some really good challenge with Woe and MVPs. Even if some people were bug abusing.

Kro Gravity had the trust of players, and pservers, until renewal, a lot of people can't agree on a total reshape of the game, Kro decision will never please everyone. And Jro was one server that couldnt accept totally renewal.

Today we just feel renewal isnt really good cause gravity is still working on rebalancing all classes skills which take a lot of time
the way they modified MVP make the game less challenging than before. The way the obligated people to kill monster from our level range also removed that kind of challenge.

The baddest thing that happened right now, is that players trust a lot less Gravity Developpers. Which make the future of RO pretty sad

Usagimimi

Quote from: leokimah on Oct 26, 2011, 12:57 AMThanatos tower anyone?

I remember when the Wing Staff + Eagle Wing was semi-useful.

/sigh~

Chemical Crush

Quote from: Yusifer on Nov 01, 2011, 06:42 PM
I remember when the Wing Staff + Eagle Wing was semi-useful.

/sigh~

I remember when der waz no trans.  :(

Kensei


D.D.

What ruined ragnarok?

Horrible Admin who make server as a money project.
Bad GM's.
Bad players.
12 years old kids.
Super high rates.
High rates.
Trolls.
Drama.
Lack of motivation.
Always the same thing.
Low rates ( on official ). It's impossible to level to 150 without bots.
Outdated pserver.
Time...

About 3rd job, I personally didn't had a real opportunity to test the true power of renewal class but I don't think a huge gaming company such as Gravity would make something so recklessly or without second thought. They indeed made 3rd job, but this was necessary to attract new players and gain old players attention back. They indeed made them with powerful skills etc but they also made other balance adjustment e.g: max level increase to 150 which boost your max hp. Increase in all armors equipments defense. max refinement increase to +20. New buffs and new equipments and many more.
If you say today that 3rd job are overpowered then would you had said the same thing back when trans job were once released ?. New things appears and you have to adapt to it.
Look at iRO ymir/chaos woe videos and you'll see that these people are having real fun.