What ruined ragnarok?

Marbles · Oct 12, 2011, 09:52 PM

I agree with Strudel. In the end, it's the players fault. O0

demonicplayer09 · Oct 13, 2011, 07:26 AM

Why are you blaming pinoys when ragnarok is not the only game in the world... so what, people get bored all the time, why are you blaming pinoys?Are you those kind of people where they think that they know the game , they have more power , and they are called "racists" sorry for my wrong grammar's because im a pinoy...

leokimah · Oct 13, 2011, 07:58 AM

Quote from: Marbles on Oct 12, 2011, 09:52 PM
I agree with Strudel. In the end, it's the players fault. O0

I guess.

This game got way too repetitive for me in the end, and has ruined any sort of enjoyment i could ever get out of pvm on any other game i tried out since. Eventually the same happened with WoE. Why would you play a game when it feels like a chore?

As for gravity itself i believe it would be the lack of viable content lately. 3rd jobs got me back to this game for about 2 weeks, but then it was just as boring after that.

Pinoys and BR's made some of the best WoE servers in the end anyways. No need to trash them anymore really since this is basically their game now. LOL

Triper · Oct 13, 2011, 09:35 AM

Quote from: demonicplayer09 on Oct 13, 2011, 07:26 AM
Why are you blaming pinoys when ragnarok is not the only game in the world... so what, people get bored all the time, why are you blaming pinoys?Are you those kind of people where they think that they know the game , they have more power , and they are called "racists" sorry for my wrong grammar's because im a pinoy...

Because f*** the economy of a server is the first step to kill a server which a big majority of pinoys do, at least in all servers I played when a big pinoy guild appear economy is hijacked from good to f*** in the next days and in a few months you have people need like 10x more the price of items that were ok for everybody new or old in the server and not just for vets rich.
You even have pinoys cursing non-pinoys in tagalog in lots of places thinking people can't understand s*** just because we're not pinoys.

tl;dr - Pinoys think that they're the kings of the world in games and since they're not and love to f*** economies in servers people hate them

Relics · Oct 13, 2011, 10:13 AM

Somewhat a different subject, but being pride of heritage or country irks me to quite an extend. First of, how can you be proud for being born in a certain country? Pride to me is taking satisfaction in achievement, so what kind of achievement is it that you came out of the right hole at the right time?

As for what 'ruined' ragnarok is your own opinion. To me it was the radical shift to 3rd jobs which made the game feel too different.

Eurydice · Oct 13, 2011, 11:49 AM

MEGA OT POST:
I'm half-Filipino ~~(I'm from the US so do not mooch itamz from me)~~ and I do not blame these other people on why we have a bad reputation.

RO is not the only game Filipinos ruined, in Dragon Nest SEA they're petitioning to ban Filipinos and the Philippines, since they're ruining then game experience for most non-pinoy players.

I've been on a server with lots of Filipinos on it and the result was, drama over PVP and WoE (EVERY TIME THEY LOSE). We have bunch of liars and scammers and hackers that are mostly Pinoy when I did IP checks. (I SAID MOST NOT ALL, L2READ BEFORE YOU RESPOND) And once they know a GM is Pinoy, they'll be all over him or her. (From what I've experienced, >_>.)

Other games that are not Pinoy infested are still enjoyable for me and my friends, like Dragon Nest NA, PW Int'l, etc. Any game where the Philippines has it's own version and or is where other countries/continents are banned from playing it, so they won't go to other countries' servers.

And +1 to Mr. Relics, I noticed that being called a scammer/hacker/some other insults over a game makes them cocky and rubs their country pride all over your face and they'll actually make a guild about it.

@TOPIC
What ruined Ragnarok (for me) is... There are no more good servers to play! I left the official servers a long donkey time ago, looking for pservers to play because I don't like paying for game time. Sadly all the good ones that I liked and fits all my needs and has everything that I want, died pre-maturely. Then most servers implemented the 3rd jobs which are OP and buggy, and they'll slap you in the face with... "THAT'S HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK!"

Supah · Oct 13, 2011, 11:49 PM

RO died pretty rapidly.. I remember playing nlRO having a blast for a good 2.5 years, after that time the private server scene went on a decline. I came back maybe a few months ago and nothing's changed.. no quality servers, servers popping up for a few months and then shutting down due to lack of players. It's a cycle as of now.. And plus it's boring to play alone.. most of my ro friends quit. Over 8 years of RO and hundres of friends later, the remnants of memories draw me back but it's hard to dedicate yourself to this game at this point.

demonicplayer09 · Oct 14, 2011, 07:33 AM

Quote from: Triper on Oct 13, 2011, 09:35 AM
Because f*** the economy of a server is the first step to kill a server which a big majority of pinoys do, at least in all servers I played when a big pinoy guild appear economy is hijacked from good to f*** in the next days and in a few months you have people need like 10x more the price of items that were ok for everybody new or old in the server and not just for vets rich.
You even have pinoys cursing non-pinoys in tagalog in lots of places thinking people can't understand s*** just because we're not pinoys.

tl;dr - Pinoys think that they're the kings of the world in games and since they're not and love to f*** economies in servers people hate them

1st of all, you think the economy in your country doesnt increase x10 more price? its normal , thats the way economy works even in real life situations, 2nd are you sure its the "Pinoys" that caused the economy to be f***? if so , do you have proof?. if no stfu.3nd pinoys cursing in "tagalog" means that he is pissed to that certain person... dont you do it sometimes?...face it Pinoys love to play ragnarok online as much as you do, so why blame them when you,yourself is a part of the problem why is ragnarok ruined....

Eurydice · Oct 14, 2011, 10:21 AM

The economy in real life situation doesn't involve cocky and whiny kiddies, who loves boasting and power tripping. Just corrupt politicians. And NO, nothing increases 10x the price in our country. And I really find it rude when people talks in different language in front of me, I think English is THAT hard. Your logic is illogical.

This is just a slap in the wrist. A lot of people hates Pinoys because of the attitude you're showing right now. Why don't you go to your mum and cry over an online game. Hate and racism existed a long donkey time ago, complaining about it won't do s*** anymore. I suggest don't bother and ignore it.

Triper · Oct 14, 2011, 10:38 AM

Quote from: demonicplayer09 on Oct 14, 2011, 07:33 AM
1st of all, you think the economy in your country doesnt increase x10 more price? its normal , thats the way economy works even in real life situations, 2nd are you sure its the "Pinoys" that caused the economy to be f***? if so , do you have proof?. if no stfu.3nd pinoys cursing in "tagalog" means that he is pissed to that certain person... dont you do it sometimes?...face it Pinoys love to play ragnarok online as much as you do, so why blame them when you,yourself is a part of the problem why is ragnarok ruined....

ok, i will play your game too.
1st - RO is a game, nobody cares about irl stuff, being a game means everything should available to everybody being a bit expensive or super cheap, if it's not then the economy is f*** by someone or someone is stocking too much crap to make it non-available to others which ends being the same -> f*** server economy
2nd - yes and yes so stop refusing to accept well known info, I can even log in 2-3 servers right now and ask in their @main/#main and they will tell that the items that are OP in the vending zone, most are from pinoys and even 2-5 merchants are from just 1 pinoy player, it's always like that in every single RO games, from low rates to super high rates. Some BRs love to do that too and even going worse in sometimes but pinoys are still the most common ending being worse unless you're saying that someone that played in over 30+ servers isn't good enough lol
3rd - nop, I don't rage in Portuguese in game, people that know me know how I'm. If I need to call someone dumb or stupid, I will do it in a language that everybody will understand[aka english] and not hide in another language and if he isn't good enough to understand I can always call/tell him/her the same in probably another 6 different languages.
No, they don't love to play as much as me, they play more then me because I play at max 1-2h a day[and this is if I play] and at the moment I'm not even playing any server in special lol Most of the servers are boring nowadays lol Old stuff is old, no new things/competition makes the game bored.
And btw, I don't sell stuff OP like s*** except if it's something rare and still depends on it, I'm an adept of selling stuff cheap so everybody can have access to the game and sometimes even give them free being it 100k or 10m, friend or not.
"If it's good enough to be sold, the item will make puff fast"

Nice try tho

Dean Stark · Oct 14, 2011, 11:37 AM

Everyone who said pinoys ruin economy is entirely true. After being in several servers and MMOs, it's often the one infested with pinoys that have extremely inflated prices. Despite how easy it is to get an item or card with little work, their prices are very unreasonable. Now, in games that have more influence internationally than pinoy-centered have a well balanced economy.

It's been going on since pinoys have gone into numerous servers. I do know for sure that a pinoy would move into a server that's pinoy heavy than others. This might be the cause as to why they remain ignorant about this issue.

Lastly, it's a very VERY common trait for pinoys to use the "well you do it too" thing as an answer. Face it, while there are indeed people outside the Philippines who do those things, you cannot deny that pinoys do it the most. It's 100% fact. The proof is around you and people have already voiced their opinions. If you think about it, why would a lot of people point it out if it wasn't even true to begin with?

While I have no problem at all with pinoys loving RO or any MMO, it's their social behavior outside their own kind, as well as how easy it is for them to gain an enourmous ego, that had led to a very nasty reputation.

After so many years, I'm quite surprised people still refuse to see the big picture.

demonicplayer09 · Oct 14, 2011, 12:11 PM

well it seems that I am the only one here defending the Ph.. anyways if you see it that way.. ignore my post in this topic.. as i will ignore yours.

Dean Stark · Oct 14, 2011, 12:22 PM

Well back on track. Where exactly does this hate for 3rd jobs come from? While they are indeed OP, is it only cause people care about PvP/WoE above all else? If so, then shouldn't the way people act towards being "competitive" and feeling like a wannabe "pro" be the bigger issue? From what I know, most, if not all, whiners come from people who PvP/WoE regularly.

Poki · Oct 14, 2011, 02:16 PM

Third class felt too different. How should I put this..
Take DragonballZ for instance. It's cool and nice when you see that you have lots of room to grow, but when you keep getting stronger and stronger it just starts feeling ridiculous. I'm not sure how to put it, but that's generally how I feel.

As for the subject on Pinoys, it's not them, it's the players in general... Or even the Admins themselves.
Blame your admin for not taking charge. Blame the players for not choosing their server properly (English only, anyone?)
How they act is who they are. How it's dealt with is the real question and why you come across with a few is another.

Maybe what ruined RO was the lack of thought in choosing a server. Ends up killing the good and allowing the bad to live.

Triper · Oct 14, 2011, 02:58 PM

Spoiler

The 3rd class problem is mostly because they made the skills too strong or too dumb and the entire system sucks.
Before people liked to party in some context but with 3rd the party is a joke: lv penalty, drop penalty, maps changing from the usual. People just can't do what they want because now you've to do as THEY want, not as YOU want.
Before:
I want to lv solo because I got gears for that, here I go.
I don't have gears but I've friends to lv with me, here I go party to some map a bit more hard then normal with them.
After:
I want to lv solo because I've the skill and lv for that, here I go.
I don't have gears but ~~I still can one shot stuff in my range lv, here I go~~ I've the skill and lv for that, here I go[copy/paste from the previous line(what?!)]

Even with the party find system, which is a good add, stuff is easier to do so it ends being bad for parties even if some people try to make some happen.

I don't know others but I love parties in non-renewal, people can go to any place without any problems except get nuked and die if the gears/player skill don't let people kill monsters.
In renewal it's a joke, people can go to some places a bit hard, like thors, without any gear at all, difficult is 0 and if we don't need gears why need a party? -_-

At WoE/PvP it's the same, skills are too strong and one-shot everybody or they suck and don't kill s***. Status? Most of them are stupid or don't work because of mechanics that are always on change.
Renewal is a on going feature but still, it isn't on the good way since they started with the change of mechanics that were what people liked in this game -> Insta Cast, Dmg and Aspd.

MVP? What is that, people can solo every single mvp without help, even more easy then pre-renewal where a party was fine and needed for high tier mvps.

[close]

tl;dr renewal thing sucks, game changed to no player skill needed, mechanics are stupid and the reason is that kro is applying some pre-renewal mechanics to renewal like the mdef for anti-froze. lol