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Title: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Sarin on Jul 11, 2008, 07:47 AM
So...there is almost no canonic info about them, except the fact they will be :) so, I'm asking you, what do you expect and what you want from them?

so far everything known about them is here http://ro.doddlercon.com/wiki/index.php?title=3rd_Classes (http://ro.doddlercon.com/wiki/index.php?title=3rd_Classes)
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Guest on Jul 11, 2008, 08:53 AM
eh im not expecting much, just different characters, more ppl hopefully....

but the same old grindage XD
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Pandora on Jul 11, 2008, 09:05 AM
Considering the last levels are painfully hard, if from 99~150 is even more exp I'll wanna hang myself XD

Also.. they tilted the delicate balance of RO when they introduced the trans classes, let's hope they don't screw up the balance even more.

The original idea seemed to suggest that the new classes would be accessible from 2nd job only and rival trans, but now trans can also access those job, so chances are they will be better than trans.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Majora_younglink on Jul 11, 2008, 09:35 AM
^ If they weren't in some way, I'd cry after going through the pain of trans on a normal server. (If I still played low rates)

And I expect more broken'ness. More editing of skills on private servers. More favoritism toward Assassins, more ridiculous dmg outputs, and more builds. Thought it'll be fun, oh it will be fun.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Sarin on Jul 11, 2008, 09:52 AM
There's a chance that some damage made by trans could be repaired if:
No more super strong attacks.
HP growth enough to balance out existing oneshot-like attacks.
more possiblities for each class, both offensive and defensive.
Stat changes-both 100% stun resist and instacast on 200. I REALLY wouldn't like to see insta asura.
etc...

Also...everyone here got their favorite classes. What skill you would like them to have? Like myself...
Rune knight: more crippling and status inducing blows, ability to use two onehanded weapon. Perhaps buff that would increase aspd at expense of damage.
Guillotine cross: poisons, poisons, poisons. Mostly status inducing. Perhaps more magic skills like Soul Breaker, critical mastery, DD offensive skills and perhaps parry-like skill...maybe something like: 80% parry chance for 5 secs, offensive skills and attack disabled during skill duration.
Wanderer: Some melee skills, and more offensive songs.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Lore on Jul 11, 2008, 10:44 AM
I'm expecting different weapon masteries to go along with the new funky weapons

I.E. Rune Knight
Shuffling Sword Mastery (lvl 1-10)

or sommat like that.

Im also anticipating a few more status ailments. More good stuff like "bleeding" and "silence".

HOPEFULLY, there won't be that many damage-inducing skills, as the trans class has plenty of those. If gravity is smart, they'll implement more strategic cool stuff like Stripping, or Venom Duster, and that stun hammer thing that WS's do.

Wishful Thinking:
1.Drain-skill that absorbs 5% of targets HP for every 3 seconds.
2.Charge-party affected skill that raises mvmnt speed and 5% chance to break enemy weapon.
3. Rain-mage skill that changes the element of everything in a 5x5 cell to water or sommat.
4. Counter Fist-champion skill that strips weapon by 30% after the champ uses Blade Stop
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Jul 11, 2008, 03:17 PM
Sarin: None of that will happen. 3rd classes WILL be powerhouses. Othervise there wouldn't be a point in introducing them.

After playing the game *twice* would you really want to get a class which is just as strong as the first one?
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Pandora on Jul 11, 2008, 04:24 PM
More HP would indeed be nice and wise, but are Gravity either of those? ^_^;
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Thorin on Jul 11, 2008, 06:59 PM
Rune Knight looks very interesting. I still got hear more but i try to stay unexcited because its gonna be atleast another year.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Ayu on Jul 11, 2008, 07:04 PM
More HP for Guillotine Cross? Probably  :P

I hope there's more support and less direct damage output skills, be it passive or buff/nerfing spells. Or what about status attacks? Must we only rely on 5% status cards if we ever want to do a bit more than your standard freeze, stun and stone curse?

Making poison actually less of a joke can be a goal as well ^_^
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Auroraâ„¢ on Jul 11, 2008, 07:05 PM

They don't seem like they're going to be that much better frome everything I've read, and quite honestly, from what I've seen they're just pointless. x_x; Like what's already been stated here, it just looks like it's going to be more classes that throws RO even more out of balance than it already is, and with the achievment of trans. classes, the balance is nothing close to being good, especially when it comes to private servers and the HR/SHR. I think the third classes could very well possibly work on LRs, and maybe MRs if the data is seriously worked on to put everything in balance with them.

It would've been okay if they would have kept the third classes only accessible through second class, but if they're now going to be able to be obtained through trans., then I would say no to them. The best idea is to still give everyone who's worked hard on trans. classes to still have a purpose for them, rather than have to start all over again.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: GM Faith on Jul 12, 2008, 12:29 PM
But that's precisely it.

When changing to third job, you'd still get to play with your second job skills.

People who go 3rd job from trans will have the bonus of their trans-class skills.

Personally I'd like to see them progress sideways, make more options available as opposed to simply making them more powerful.

Sadly, I think we all know that isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: fluidin on Jul 12, 2008, 10:57 PM
Hmm. If they restricted the number of skill points available for the 3rd classes, the introduction of 3rd classes might work well for game balance.

You guys get what I mean right? For example an all powerful skill ABC, which is equivalent to EDP is introduced for Guillotine Crosses. However, due to limited skill points, a TineX can only learn ONE of them. Either an ABC or EDP skill build. However, with the (HP/SP?) bonuses for 3rd classes, these skills will no longer have the potential to 1hko, and thus balance is restored. Not only is balance restored, more skill builds are feasible.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Aragorn on Jul 12, 2008, 11:31 PM
i expect it to be useful not like the ninja gunslinger jobs that are super useless... (>.>)
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: phranxis on Jul 13, 2008, 12:04 AM
they only use those to attract more people to play the "near to death" game
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Aragorn on Jul 13, 2008, 05:38 AM
Quote from: phranxis on Jul 13, 2008, 12:04 AM
they only use those to attract more people to play the "near to death" game
hah? wht are u saying.... (>.>)
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Jul 13, 2008, 05:41 AM
That RO is dying.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Guest on Jul 13, 2008, 06:17 PM
that the third classes are just an attempt to bring more ppl into this dying game, so gravity can squeeze every last it of cash out of its players? x3

i find that highly likely lol
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Dyhalto on Jul 14, 2008, 01:50 AM
I'm thinking it's time for Ragnarok Online 2...
Preferably still the gorgeous 2d on 3d maps. Just a revamped system altogether.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Jul 14, 2008, 02:57 AM
Uh, there is RO2 already you know. In the beta. It's full 3D and it looks like s***.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: phranxis on Jul 14, 2008, 06:53 PM
Quote from: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Jul 14, 2008, 02:57 AM
Uh, there is RO2 already you know. In the beta. It's full 3D and it looks like s***.

Dude your wrong, it doesnt look like Sh*t

it IS Sh*t
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Aragorn on Jul 15, 2008, 06:17 AM
its not sh*t... and stop talking about sh*t... (>.>)
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: phranxis on Jul 15, 2008, 08:29 AM
Quote from: Aragorn on Jul 15, 2008, 06:17 AM
its not sh*t... and stop talking about sh*t... (>.>)

im sorry  ;D

ok, its NOT s***
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Dyhalto on Jul 15, 2008, 02:18 PM
Okay, I see what you mean about RO2. Yeah, it does look pretty... umm.... s*** is not the word :)
3d never looks good. Well, it does for a year, but then it's rendered obsolete by the next year's 3d games. And considering that RO's strong point is it's gorgeous visuals, well there's not much else to say about it.....
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Guest on Jul 15, 2008, 04:21 PM
erm shouldn't we be talking about the new third classes? XD
not RO2

=3 on topic please? ^^
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Broken Moon on Jul 18, 2008, 02:16 PM
New things are awesome. That's it.
I'd like them more if you had to choose either Transclass OR 3rd class, but... ADSJFHSDFKJHDFKJ
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Ansuz Isaz on Jul 18, 2008, 02:30 PM
I agree with Moon. xD The idea of choosing one or the other sounded far, far more promising.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Pandora on Jul 18, 2008, 02:38 PM
Indeed.

I guess it didnt sound so good to people who already had 99/70 trans on official server however xD
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Fruityla on Jul 18, 2008, 03:46 PM
Eh, I like the fact your trans can go third job, if just for longer character life...or getting people to play that trans they abandoned so long ago. But that's just me. Although, I do recall hearing about people making 99/50 non-trans characters just incase that didn't happen XD

As for the third jobs themselves, I'm expecting them to sort of renovate the classes....as in swing the classes in a new direction, I guess. Like Knights having some sort of magical ability instead of just being tanks that hit stuff til it dies.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Winnin813 on Jul 18, 2008, 09:12 PM
What do I expect?

Another fastest to 99 build: Version 2.0 -___-

It used to be that as soon as you started RO, you could build your character off that the bat how you wanted it to be. When trans classes came it created a pressure to grind for the non trans classes and rebirth. This is what brought about everyone going a fastest to 99 build (Pure TU Priests are an example of that).
Hopefully, to go 3rd job we won't need to rebirth again.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: superja on Jul 19, 2008, 12:47 AM
No, 3rd class doesn't need rebirth. No high-high-novice funtiems.

One of my friends and I were talking about this recently... He believes the entire thing is a conspiracy to get more money and that there won't be any third classes at all... It's just Gravity hyping them up to squeeze more money out. Seeing as how we have very limited information for them and the 3-1 were due to be out already, it might be possible. They could claim it that things are 'delayed" for a pretty long time, maybe a couple years, and keep leaking a little more info at a time and drag it out. Eventually people will just switch to RO2.

Which sounded like a plan but then RO2 isn't great at all... it's too different. I don't see hardcore players who are still playing RO1 as it dies making a switch. They'll probably keep riding it to the end and then find pservers.

I do think Gravity will eventually release them, but I don't expect them anytime soon. It wouldn't shock me if they start getting scripted on pservers first, because once people get enough info, it's pretty easy to build the class... Just takes a massive amount of time. But the first pserver to get them would have a big advantage over the others.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Guest on Jul 19, 2008, 01:23 AM
lol my conspiracy theory (since were already sharing em) is that the third classes are totally gona suck and then they'll totally kill the RO gameplay so then everyone moves to RO2

here's hoping that never happens =3
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Jul 19, 2008, 03:00 AM
My conspiracy theory is that the 3rd classes will come and people will b**** about them like there's no tommorow.

Huh.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Ansuz Isaz on Jul 19, 2008, 10:18 AM
Shame on you, Conspiracy theories are only fun when they're speculation. xD

A fact doesn't really count as a theory.

Does it? o.o
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Winnin813 on Jul 19, 2008, 04:06 PM
Quote from: superja on Jul 19, 2008, 12:47 AM
Which sounded like a plan but then RO2 isn't great at all... it's too different. I don't see hardcore players who are still playing RO1 as it dies making a switch. They'll probably keep riding it to the end and then find pservers.
The problem with RO2 is that it wasn't a better RO1, but rather an entirely different game. They ended up hitting a totally different target audience. They really should have just spruced up RO (High definition 2D characters with smoother 3D environments) and made the 3rd classes we see now into a 2nd branch trans class. Meaning you can go from Swordsman to either Lord Knight, Paladin, Rune Knight, and whatever.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Guest on Jul 20, 2008, 01:51 AM
heres some stuff to chew on

(http://ro.doddlercon.com/images/3rdjobsketch.jpg)

anddd some info here if anyone can translate it >.>
http://www.onlinegamer.jp/news/5694/

EDIT: forgot to post this link too
http://forums.irowiki.org/showthread.php?t=13522
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: fluidin on Jul 20, 2008, 02:00 AM
OMG SEXY D: (The female archbishop that is)

Warlocks are win. Mechanics are....ok.

Rest = Pure fail. Especially GX =.=
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Jul 20, 2008, 02:27 AM
Goddammit, JJJ, don't you sleep or something

Anyway you can use Google Translate (http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://future.sgv417.jp/index.php%3F3%25BC%25A1%25BF%25A6&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://future.sgv417.jp/%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG&usg=ALkJrhgSceC0mvTrEw6tnDJhw4oFHO8H8w) for a first glimpse, serious translation will probably soon follow.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Majora_younglink on Jul 20, 2008, 06:20 AM
I dunno, I personally like the male Warlocks. I personally always hated how HW looked like they were carrying this huge amount of clothes for no apparent reason. A wiz should be more about move-ability in my opinion kind of like how sages are.

I also like the male ranger as the male sniper looked horrible to me. (He wears like 3 layers of f*** clothes or more. >_<)

Also Mechanics actually look a lot better than I thought they would. At least they don't look like Rednecks like I thought they would.

The rest, I dunno. But from what I can tell they don't look THAT bad.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Dew on Jul 20, 2008, 07:52 AM
Warlocks...  ;D
Mechanics...  ;D

Run Knight looks like s***.. ranger too. Assassin is  :'(
Then again.. compaired with the current sprites.. they all look good.
All classes have been played in and out... too bad there aren't any new forms for the added jobs.
Arghh.. pictures aren't heeelping.

Ugh.. so when can I get exited with RO again?
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Majora_younglink on Jul 20, 2008, 08:33 AM
Quote from: Dew on Jul 20, 2008, 07:52 AM
Warlocks...  ;D
Mechanics...  ;D

Run Knight looks like s***.. ranger too. Assassin is  :'(
Then again.. compaired with the current sprites.. they all look good.
All classes have been played in and out... too bad there aren't any new forms for the added jobs.
Arghh.. pictures aren't heeelping.

Ugh.. so when can I get exited with RO again?

When the final version of 3rd classes come out.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: GM Faith on Jul 20, 2008, 04:03 PM
These are still technically concept sprites, but they're probably not going to change much.

They're asking for feedback, so if they respond to feedback and edit the sprites you can expect to see even less clothing on the female sprites.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Guest on Jul 20, 2008, 09:15 PM
lol i prob should have mentioned that XD
but i really doubt that if they do any changes that it'll be anything big Dx
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Jul 21, 2008, 02:18 AM
Quote from: GM Faith on Jul 20, 2008, 04:03 PM
They're asking for feedback

MORE SPIKES
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Pandora on Jul 21, 2008, 11:19 AM
Warlock are really awesome, I was happily surprised. Now I wanna play them ^_^
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Rudolph Zyaber on Jul 22, 2008, 11:01 PM
Wow, awesome sprites for the Warlock Male and Female.  I'm impressed. 

I am expecting more imbalance.  If gravity ends up making these classes as imbalanced as they did the trans ones, then I bet servers might end up being split between regular trans and 3rd class trans or something like that.

Also I'm expecting mechanic to suck royally.  You all see it. Right here, right now, I called it. 
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Ansuz Isaz on Jul 22, 2008, 11:53 PM
God I hope not. D= I kind of wanted to try out the mechanic class, whenever all of this hits private servers. Sadly, I haven't heard of any leeks on what the 3rd class characters designed after sages will be... I'm really hoping it doesn't suck as much as I think it will. o_O Though, I'm expecting more of buff-like skills for them than any new skills they will use on anyone else.

All I know is that it won't help the balance issues. xD Sadly, a lot of what people are expecting is what they'll probably get. More complaints, imbalance, that the classes are just going to suck in their entirety, making those who wasted their time actually getting to it on the official servers getting really pissed and leaving, blah blah blah.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Lore on Jul 23, 2008, 01:38 AM
Rune Knights look SHARP. Guillotine X looks ridiculous. More caramel filling please. Male Bishop (is that what its called?) looks kinda bad. Warlocks look like 2-1 assassins >.o

Anxiously awaiting Mechanics. Summon attack droids anyone? heh.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Jul 23, 2008, 02:14 AM
Since I'm too lazy to upload them all...

http://orochi.iiichan.net/rag/res/6626.html

Here you can see the sprites with slight modifications by someone from iRO Wiki. Looks much better, IMO.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: ~~T~~ on Jul 26, 2008, 04:05 AM
They said there is a new skill for Rune Knight, Warlock and Guillhotine Cross: [Hug: Deal massive damage that ignore defense and add bleeding status !]
As old man says: "All those new classes try hard to look all cool with Stripes and Spikes, I remember the time that Male Priests showed all his torso and Assassins were Hobos". Also, is only me or male warlock seem to have same pants as male creators?
I believe they are goiing to change those sprites, same thing as they did with the old palladins. I really don't worry about if they are going to look good or bad, everything looks bad when you use a Magni Cap/PooPoo Hat/Whisper Hat/Magic Keetle/Any other useful Headgear.


Spoiler
RAGEEEEE to anyone who says that Male Warlocks remember Shinigami's from Bleach.
[close]
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: phranxis on Jul 28, 2008, 04:12 AM
Quote from: JJJ on Jul 20, 2008, 01:51 AM
heres some stuff to chew on

(http://ro.doddlercon.com/images/3rdjobsketch.jpg)

anddd some info here if anyone can translate it >.>
http://www.onlinegamer.jp/news/5694/

EDIT: forgot to post this link too
http://forums.irowiki.org/showthread.php?t=13522

98% of player will try to change their job into these
if you are part of the 2% that doesnt care...
Spoiler
your an "A"hole
[close]



EDIT:
Mechanics looks kinda like "Ramza" from final fantasy (http://rivendell.fortunecity.com/tekken/467/ramza4.gif)(http://sp1.yt-thm-a02.yimg.com/image/25/m8/3996009450)
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Thorin on Jul 28, 2008, 03:45 PM
About the conspiracy theories of Gravity trying to drag all this out and ruin RO1....is there any truth to that? I want to see something 100% "decided" and that shows progress like a big list of skills, not just sprites that will probably just be changed.

If you look at it all together, we've know about the 3rd classes for over a year and yet all we have is  first draft 3-1 sprites, and basic info on the 3-1 classes and skills.......nothing with the 3-2 sprites or information and skills yet. I'm not saying making a whole new set of classes will be easy for Gravity...it just doesn't seem to me like alot of progress is being made.

I remember someone from another thread saying that 3-1 would probably be out March-April and 3-2 would be out like September-November...doesn't look that way now....btw maybe its about time to put all the threads about 3rd classes into a child board under job discussion because there are like 15 of them.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: freakyred on Jul 29, 2008, 08:28 AM
hmm ... I wish they would do something to match the EDP skill of sinX
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Thorin on Jul 29, 2008, 03:59 PM
lol i'm almost certain that with these new classes they will be flooded with complaints of imbalance at first.......i think its funny they are making new classes when people are still upset with the imbalance on trans classes, example of course is SinX, which with the somewhat recent SL and Sonic Acceleration has not made people any happier.

I guess we can just hope that these will balance it out since we don't know all of the new classes "exact" skills yet.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Reejuicy on Jul 30, 2008, 10:44 AM
All I can say is that I'm not really satisfied with the sprites. Probably just the Arc Bishop. Well, also because I'm a girl too so meh. But changing their colors would be nice I guess.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Littlechan on Aug 03, 2008, 01:17 AM
am I the only one girl who love rune knight's sprites?
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Sarin on Aug 03, 2008, 01:50 AM
It's the pink dots eh?
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Littlechan on Aug 03, 2008, 06:52 AM
Quote from: Sarin on Aug 03, 2008, 01:50 AM
It's the pink dots eh?

no, I like it overall, kinda look like my daydream samurai <3
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Mamimi on Aug 03, 2008, 07:13 AM
I look forward to all the bugs they will have, cause we all know they will.  ::) It seems someone is having a streak of bad coding. But other then that, bishop girl has a huge butt. :O Warlock is sexy <3
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Littlechan on Aug 04, 2008, 08:33 AM
archbishop surely will be the first grade of cute (after that, rune knight is the second for me)
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Bootleg on Aug 04, 2008, 11:34 AM
I love how Warlocks look...
But I want to see the 3-2 classes now  :o

Eh, but I think they will be awesome
sadly I doubt the Iro release :(
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: ~~T~~ on Aug 04, 2008, 11:57 AM
Rune Knight = I guess the same thing of White Knight of Maple Story.
Mechanic = Remember me of Cyborg from Teen titans.
Warlock = Nerf Locks.
Archbishops = Maybe a Hell Judgement but that Heals?
Guillhotine Cross = Citric Blow !!
Ranger = FINALLY TRAPS BUFF
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Sarin on Aug 04, 2008, 02:26 PM
Healing Hell's Judgement=Sanctuary.
I hope for some crit and DD skills for GuiX too...
I don't know what White Knight is about, but I hope he'll be able to use dualswords...and I'd like to see some crippling blows too.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: ~~T~~ on Aug 04, 2008, 04:00 PM
Quote from: Sarin on Aug 04, 2008, 02:26 PM
Healing Hell's Judgement=Sanctuary.
I guess you mean Cursed Land.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Sarin on Aug 04, 2008, 04:45 PM
might be...then what is hell's judgement? I got kinda mess in monster skill names...
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: ~~T~~ on Aug 04, 2008, 04:58 PM
Quote from: Sarin on Aug 04, 2008, 04:45 PM
might be...then what is hell's judgement? I got kinda mess in monster skill names...
The skill that damage and curses everyone in your screen.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Tavern on Aug 13, 2008, 04:53 PM
I expect less teamwork involved. Gotta evolve with the game though.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Guest on Aug 14, 2008, 12:14 AM
Quote from: Tavern on Aug 13, 2008, 04:53 PM
I expect less teamwork involved. Gotta evolve with the game though.

i was hoping it would be the opposite >.<
i want the third classes to literally force ppl to have to use teamwork, because right now its already hard enough to have to bribe ppl to party, and after all it is a MMORPG
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Aug 14, 2008, 03:29 AM
Quote from: Tavern on Aug 13, 2008, 04:53 PM
I expect less teamwork involved. Gotta evolve with the game though.

Well, Warlocks are supposed to have super-powerful AoE attack spells which can be performed only with oher Warlocks, much like Priests' B.S. Sacramenti.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Loki on Aug 14, 2008, 10:12 AM
The percentage of people getting external bleeding increased by x%.

That is what I expect from 3rd Classes.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Aragorn on Aug 16, 2008, 07:39 AM
i expect rangers to cloak..... duh.... (>.>)
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: freakyred on Aug 17, 2008, 02:45 AM
I expect to get something to counter EDP
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Littlechan on Aug 17, 2008, 05:05 AM
can I expect to get something to dispel FCP? XD

@freaky-san

EDP can be countered by ghostring, deviling (if they don't use any elements beside EDP itself)

but EDP won't hurt if they miss XD

*run away and hide under my bed*
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Sarin on Aug 17, 2008, 01:58 PM
well, any SinX that doesn't use converters is a noob SinX.

But I'd like to see EDP nerfing, maybe make it just increase weapon atk.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: ~~T~~ on Aug 17, 2008, 07:25 PM
Little Chan, I believe EDP has a unavoidable kind of poison that applies to every hit, so even if you miss, you still lower the enemy HP.
Test it on Katrinns
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Littlechan on Aug 18, 2008, 02:33 AM
I think that only work if you've already got the poison status from EDP XD

because, I've tried it XD

(pvp'ing, he miss, and my hp wasn't reduced even a bit =X)
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Darken on Aug 21, 2008, 12:04 PM
for EDP balancing, it'd be nice if they changed the attack element to poison, meaning you'd just get an evil druid card to counter it. EDP is just overpowered.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Littlechan on Aug 21, 2008, 05:58 PM
I think EDP can be left unchanged like now =x

because the counterpart is they hard to make in official and lowrate server...

(not mention the HR/SHR where all stats is 500 or more)
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: ~~T~~ on Aug 21, 2008, 10:33 PM
They are not hard when all the bots get the materials while the have a specialized assassin for making potions.
EDP should be a status effect like Vital Strike, or something like that, it would give massive status effects to the target, it fits to a poison.
A class that hit fast and can deal 800% damage with one hit due to its fast attack nature having a damage rising attack that surpass WS boost, its just mad.

The fact is that they throwed some skills to the classes that doens't fit them much, why does knight have impairing skills while assassins/rogues don't(other than raid/envenom)? Why does a assassin can hide and walk faster than a stalker(AND attack with grimtooth)?

It's just me or gravity just find fun changing class roles. (I don't have anything agaisn't class roles)
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Littlechan on Aug 22, 2008, 09:10 AM
I think assassin is made for assassination =x

rogue isn't, they are made for...for...for roguing someone? XD

which skill of knight is impairing?

more basic, what's impairing is?
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Sarin on Aug 22, 2008, 11:31 AM
impairing=crippling, disabling etc..made by skill Vital Strike (Joint Beat), that cause special "injuries". This skill isn't used much tho.

And for those assasinations...y'know, assasination=stealth removal of one person, without harming anyone else. Good EDP assassins are more like widespread destruction.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: ~~T~~ on Aug 22, 2008, 12:34 PM
Vital Strike, Head Blow or Something that gives bleeding.
Assassins are supposed to eliminate people fast but silently, not "XCROSS OH s*** METEOR ASSAU-*boom boom*".
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: watdapak on Mar 14, 2009, 10:25 PM
3rd classes=imba
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: LemonCrosswalk on Mar 14, 2009, 10:29 PM
Way to go, Necroposting a 7 month old post.
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: A92FL0163 on Mar 14, 2009, 11:23 PM
Quote from: watdapak on Mar 14, 2009, 10:25 PM
3rd classes=imba

Thank you! Captain Obvious!
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Cielte on Mar 14, 2009, 11:46 PM
Quote from: watdapak on Mar 14, 2009, 10:25 PM
3rd classes=imba

Excalibur : "Fool!"
Title: Re: What do you expect from 3rd classes?
Post by: Aozora on Mar 24, 2009, 08:40 AM
Balanced or imbalanced pretty much depends on how the renewal turns out. Implementing them with current mechanics without any tweaking is imbalanced though.