Raydric or Noxious for Garment?

[CookieEater]

I'm kinda doubting wether I should use a Raydric Card or a Noxious Card for my garment.

In PvM, Raydric is vastly superior since monsters use Neutral over half of the time (technically it's Non-Elemental, which is why Ghostring is useless PvM-wise), but in PvP a lot of people use elemental weapons.

The only things you'll ever get tosses at you as a Neutral element are Guillotine Fist, Acid Bomb, Soul Destroyer(Int), Falcon Assault and Martyr's Reckoning since these have fixed elements. Out of the lot only Guillotine Fist and Acid Bomb are actually fearfull.

Noxious on the other hand would still give some reduction on these, reduce any attack from a Sniper, and reduce Soul Destroyer(Str). Acid Bomb, Falcon Assault and Soul Destroyer(Int) would get full reduction since the apply for both parts of the Noxious effect.

Any thoughts?

[Brainstorm]

The answer is simple:
Depends on which character you are going to wear it.

Raydric is far superior to tank/vit characters.
While Noxious suits better characters with less vit/def

[CookieEater]

The answer is simple:
Depends on which character you are going to wear it.

Raydric is far superior to tank/vit characters.
While Noxious suits better characters with less vit/def

And why would this be?

I mean, shouldn't a tank type of character be the one to prefer Noxious since players use elemental weapons anyway and thus make Raydric useless, except against a select few skills?

[Zinron]

I say you use noxious as a primary and keep raydric on the side as a back up incase your see any forced neutral move making its way towards your face.

Noxious also reduces most magic based attacks and raydric suffers from being easily bypassed. Your probably better of wearing a dustiness or mandragora card (I forget which, its the 30% wind resist card in garment) as most people these days use wind element to get around valk shield as well.

[Brainstorm]

I mean, shouldn't a tank type of character be the one to prefer Noxious since players use elemental weapons anyway and thus make Raydric useless, except against a select few skills?

Elemental weapons wont be blocked by noxious either.

Also, yes, they take more magic damage, but again, their most feared skills are the neutral ones:
- Asura Strike
- Acid Bomb
- Falcon Assault

These skills mostly block all their defenses and does an insane amount of direct damage.

If magic is what concerns you, get a ragamuffin manteau, and more mdef gear/resistence.
But for the overall walk in the park everyday, i would go with Raydric without a doubt.

[Narbe]

The only things you'll ever get tosses at you as a Neutral element are Guillotine Fist, Acid Bomb, Soul Destroyer(Int), Falcon Assault and Martyr's Reckoning since these have fixed elements.

Soul Destroyer element changes along ur current atack element.

And i agree for a raydric till u need to change gears for a especific class

[CookieEater]

Elemental weapons wont be blocked by noxious either.

No, but any kind of ranged attack will get reduced anyway, regardless of element.

Elemental weapons wont be blocked by noxious either.

Well, Acid Bomb and Falcon Assault would suffer fully from Noxious, if not more then from a Raydric due to the seperate subtraction effect. And nobody will ever have enough HP and Reduction gear to survive a well-placed Asura

Soul Destroyer element changes along ur current atack element.

The Int-based half doesn't. While not as powerfull as the Str half, it also never misses and is thusly quite popular anyway.

[pintakasi]

use raydric most of the time and switch to noxious or the either way 

[Brainstorm]

Well, Acid Bomb and Falcon Assault would suffer fully from Noxious, if not more then from a Raydric due to the seperate subtraction effect. And nobody will ever have enough HP and Reduction gear to survive a well-placed Asura

Most crusaders can actually survive an well-placed Asura. Mainly if they have a deviling and/or ghostring.

Falcon assault is MISC damage, non-ranged. So it only suffers 10% reduction from noxious.
Same goes for Acid Bomb.

Only skills that noxious actually reduce are:
weapon type and ranged (ranged attack skills, like double strafe)
magic type, regardless of range.


It doesnt reduce the following:
weapon type, non-ranged (melee skills, like bash)
misc type, regardless of range (pressure, acid bomb, gravitation field, falcon assault, etc)

Misc type skills are the ones that bypass def/mdef and have a fixed damage based on some formula that doesnt count ATK/MATK at all.


Noxious goes by skill type for 10% and element for another 10%.
While Raydric is full 20% for element. And the strongest skills against his class, be magic/weapon/misc are neutral type.

I rectify my post. The code actually just check the skill range, if it is flagged as ranged (range higher than 3), it is a long range type skill, thus reduced by noxious/alligator card effects.

Code Select Expand


if(md.flag&BF_SHORT)
cardfix=cardfix*(100-tsd->near_attack_def_rate)/100;
else // BF_LONG (there's no other choice)
cardfix=cardfix*(100-tsd->long_attack_def_rate)/100;
That check is on all 3 type of damages code, misc weapon and magic.

[silverwing14]

it dpnds on wht/who ar u fightng. .if its range or melee..

[Narbe]

it dpnds on wht/who ar u fightng. .if its range or melee..

godamn verters,cwaters make raydric rather useless shamely its more an anti-nub card :p but yea got some pretty good use

[pintakasi]

but i believe for sacre pals it's useful

[Narbe]

as i said it gots pretty good usage however i always like wearing a wool scarf with a kapha or a marse works better at woe

[pintakasi]

mine is deviling 

[Narbe]

deviling for woe....<_< no offense but its kinda stupid D: