How long do buffs like bragi/ Attack song/ Gospel stay after TP? Can you stack?

[MysticNight]

Just wondering. I don't play on a server right now but I'm running some tests, and I'd like to know for how long buffs from a slave would last and if you can stack Gospels and Dances for doubled effect. I guess if it were possible people would have done it and OSed Satan Morroc already, but you never know.

[Triper]

Gospel good buffs have a 30 secs[if isn't 30 secs is 1 minute, it's short anyway] duration with the exception of the +25% def that lasts for 10 secs.

Dance/Songs last for 180 secs[3 minutes] after you start to use it and lasts for 30 secs[I think] when you step out of it.

You can stack dances and gospel, it's the same way a lk in frenzy can have 500k HP on a low rate.

Unless you get acess to 2 Megs, gloom, lady tanee, over 2500 atk and over 7k sp with a mace with 4 aks[yes, giga dmg is not big dmg so you use a mace because higher multipliers make big badaboom so luna kaleet sucks for this] it's impossible on pre-renewal to one shot the wounded morroc lol[And even if you can get acess to that, the setup takes a s*** to get up making it not worth to make happen since someone can steal it in that time >_>]

[MysticNight]

So if you get several dancers and bards you can get a lot of buffs right?
I do have another question. Why is it that gospel Attack+100% gives more than Gospel SP+100% when it comes to asura? Is it only because we simulated chars with really high damage?
I thought you needed gospel SP to do asura. Then again, you can have both I guess, if there are two paladins?
Oh and how would you go about OSing wounded morroc on renewal? I know nothing about Suras. Are there new equips that are more powerful or is it merely the added stats that make the difference (from the level 150)?

[Triper]

You can only have 1 type of each dance/song running, not stack a bunch of them because they don't overlap. You get the first buff always and nothing more and the same for gospel +/-.

1 Gospel buff = 10 secs to wait for next gospel buff
2 Bragi = you get the time extended of the first and nothing more if I'm not wrong[not sure on this part but 2 dance/song = only one working always]

Gospel +100% atk:

• SP always better then STR and just because we can get higher SP instead of ATK/STR:
• Asura Strike's Formula:
  • ATK * (8 + Remaining SP/10) + Skill Level Bonus, at Lv 5 it becomes:
    • 1 sp with 1 atk = 1008.1 damage[lv 5 asura]
    • 2 sp with 1 atk = 1008.2[lv 5 asura]
    • 1 sp with 2 atk = 1016.2
  • ATK > SP but can we get the same high ATK as how SP can be? No so... SP > ATK =P
    • 1.2k sp and 400 atk = 52200
    • 400 sp and 1200 atk = 58600

ATK increase directly the final dmg, SP gets reduced by 10 so having something as 1200 atk vs 7000 sp is the same as 1200 vs 700 and so 1200 wins.

1 Paladin is enough to get every single buff on a char just hard to see them happen, if you want gospel just wait for +atk buff, most of the time is enough with SP Song ongoing.

How Gospel works - You enter into the Gospel Cross area, get a buff, wait inside it more 10 seconds to get another random buffs[don't forget that you need to be in the same party as him to make that happen]. Each buff has a duration so you can have more then 1 on at the same time.

From what I know from renewal, Shuras got more sp and atk formula work differently so indirectly asura got a buff and now is easier to get higher dmg without much effort. Weapons also work differently and lv 4 weapons give a huge increase of dmg compared to lv3 or lv1 weapons. Usually is Carga Mace with 2 aks for the win there. I think it's possible to give 25m easy on renewal with all the new stuff available. Morpheus Set is also a best at renewal au contrarie of pre-renewal.

[MysticNight]

Wow 25m an asura, that's kind of a game breaker. I'm not saying that asura should be limited because obviously this is renewal and monsters are getting stronger, but hopefully 100m hp bosses will be around soon.
I guess the atk buff is better then. One more question: If I get the right buff and tp out, the buff will last for a few secs to a minute, right? Or should I keep recasting gospel to change the buff?
I know gospel doesn't last long, I'm just wondering how to get a new gospel buff if I don't like the one I have.
I don't like renewal mechanics much but I must admit that making level 4 OP is a good idea since most players have been running around with level 1 weapons forever. I think that's a problem, because it gives an unfair advantage to some classes and archers/ wizards in particular, whereas poor WS and Sin X have no choice but to kill MVPs to get good gears (ice pick etc).

[Triper]

You can't jump in and out to get a different buff, as soon as you get a gospel buff it will say on you log menu - YOU GOT THIS for X seconds.
During 10 secs you won't get another buff and the next buff attempt will come from gospel after that exactly 10 secs too.

Waiting for the right buff or not depends on how heavy the competition is. If it's heavy sometimes you've to pray that you get the right one and find the mvp fast, if not you can wait I guess if it's to one shot and you know +/- where the mvp is and it isn't called Mistress or Lady Tanee or Maya or some heavy tele B*itch.

TBH I only used Gospel for Atroce or Satan, others never cared that much about it.

It doesn't give that much of an advantage, formulas in renewal make advantage of lv 4 weapons sure but atk makes it a big portion too. IP sucks in atk so only the effect is cared. Renewal makes stuff much more easy and change a lot the mechanics of the game and that's why people don't like - easy game, easy kills, 2OPstuff, no challenge ):
Also, most of the time if you want dmg you go look for 2 aspects in renewal - lv4 weapons and atk of the weapon and then multipliers and mix both to check which is better[in some of this aspects I agree that this is right, lv4 weapons should be the best] and not as in pre-renewal - slots->atk->multipliers->math power on (...) lv of the weapon? Wth is that lol
Just check the formula of atk at renewal at irowiki and go wow about the equip part and you will understand.

Archer class kinda suck in renewal, their dmg is like crap without a specific set and they're a bit limited on the actions to do since most of the good stuff they used to do now is junk :|
Mage class the same, no more insta spam. Or you get super INT to drop 2+ Tetra Vortex or you stay as a debuffer/annoying status class.
Most of the time renewal is all about Dragon's Breath and Gate of Hell, RK and Shura since DB if isn't fixed gives pwn pwn pwn since only pasana counters it[not sure on this but I think it bypasses thara and other -% race reduces] and Gate of Hell is Gate of Hell.... You Die, You Die, You Die, ups, You Die again, You Die and You Die. It's hard to survive one unless you're a fatty char with lots of reduces.