how do you counter berserk???

[Poki]

Oh silly mark, have you not read what I said earlier? I purposely stated to my likings, so that I won't be countered at all by smokies or berries. Here, let me copy and paste YET bold for you.

Berserk is usually used for me when a champion is on the verge to asura strike me.

I even underlined and gave it colour. Now, after you have used asura, do you really think you can use smokie or berries and cast fury in time to use relocation before I slash you with 1.4k per hit at 190 attack speed?

However, like said, it's easy to counter berserk because it's not meant to be used for battling at start, only used as a last move or for the HP.

So, when I said a champion is on the verge to asura strike, I did not mean on the verge to run away while I cast berserk for no reason.

[Aragorn]

This Topic = Fail.

[mark_sanbeda]

Oh silly mark, have you not read what I said earlier? I purposely stated to my likings, so that I won't be countered at all by smokies or berries. Here, let me copy and paste YET bold for you.

I can do that w/ ease, the problem here is you can't use any skills... making your life 3ple just makes your death stalled for a few moments
use berserk when im about to asura you, i can even use cancel if i know my asura won't work

[Poki]

When I use berserk, there's no time for you to cancel.  Honestly, I time berserks so well that you have less than a second to react and pull back before you begin your instant casting for asura.

And so what if I can't use skills? What part of last move are you not grasping hold of?  I've been stating that I use berserk against champions mainly when they are in the process of casting asura strike. They won't be able to live after that because I'd be slashing away with 1.4k damage per hit at an attack speed of 185+.

I don't understand why you keep going back to the fact that you won't asura strike, that's just avoiding what I said, and stating something else on top of that.  If you were not to asura strike, I don't need to berserk, and I'll just continue using bash and charge to your death plus I also have magnum break for element and hit bonus, as well as switching to spear and spiral you for a last hit while you relocate away from me.  Besides, my skills in charging is as great as most champion's relocation.

I certainly know that you won't asura me if it doesn't work, then why state that you will kill me in berserk, when I won't even go berserk because you won't asura?

I'll bold this once again for you and rephrase it:

I only use berserk as a last move against champions who asura me.

Not only is this topic a failure, it's getting ridiculous.

[mark_sanbeda]

I can cancel it anytime

and note that i don't care wether you damage me for 1.4k for an aspd of 185+[as long as its not 199] i still have time to give myself berries, and also with the orleans all champs are fast cast lack of sphere's doesn't mean i can't reloc anymore.. and also there's this skill called STOP BLADE

PS: your right this topic is ridiculous... i should stop now

[fluidin]

What weapon are you using to be able to deal 1.4k? Anyway, ever heard of spd pot? In my server, spd pot always goes with Asura.

[Poki]

Now I'm just slashing my interweb-wrists, straining the fact that you can't do such things.

Asura Strike:  Usable only when Fury is active. Uses all SP to do massive damage to the target, HP/SP will not regenerate naturally for 5 minutes after Asura Strike is used. Cancels Fury after use and requires all remaining Spirit Spheres (that is all 5 if cast independently). Damage is [(Weapon ATK+Base ATK) x (8 + SP/10) + 250 + (SkillLV*150)]*Card Effects. Can be used while catching someone using LV 5 Blade Stop or with no Cast Time at the end of a combo attack (Raging Trifecta Blow -> Raging Quadruple Blow -> Raging Thrust -> [Tiger Knuckle Fist and/or Chain Crush Combo ->] Asura Strike) but the Fury and sphere and Fury requirements remain in both cases (usable with the 4 spheres remaining after activating Blade Stop/Raging Thrust). Increasing the Asura Strike skill level has a relatively small effect on total damage compared to increasing SP, INT or STR.
Warning: Skill CAN BE INTERRUPTED.

Fury:   Raises Critical Rate by 7.5+2.5*SkillLV for skill's duration. SP regeneration is suspended during this time. 5 Spirit Spheres required.

Relocation:Directly teleport to any chosen cell. You can not move to or over non movable cells this way, e.g. up a cliff. Uses up 1 Spirit Sphere. If under Fury state, you can use this skill without the need for Spirit Spheres. After using this skill, you cannot use Asura Strike for the following 2 seconds.

Unless you instant cast spirit balls (which I doubt since if you can, you'd die in only 4 slashes from me, which won't even help you one bit), you don't have enough time to do ANYTHING after one asura strike.

plus, seeing as you say you can cancel at any given time, I'm happy that you can, since that states that your casting time is slow enough for you to put a cast cancel in.  Seeing as it's slow enough and that you must be near me to use asura, I won't even need to berserk against you since I slash quick enough to interrupt your casting.  Not only that, but if you have a card that lets you cast without being interrupted, that's even better, I'd slash you a few hits, then just switch on high orc so that I can smile against your asura.

Plus, I don't care if you can cancel, I just won't berserk, got that?  If you cancel, I'll just do what I stated earlier:

"If you were not to asura strike, I don't need to berserk, and I'll just continue using bash and charge to your death plus I also have magnum break for element and hit bonus, as well as switching to spear and spiral you for a last hit while you relocate away from me.  Besides, my skills in charging is as great as most champion's relocation."

Cast fast enough for spheres so that you can relocate yourself? I can slash quick enough before you can even relocate, and even if you manage to relocate, I can just easily charge and continue my slashing havoc of fury on you.  Besides, I'm smart enough to switch to spear and spiral you for a last hit kill.

Stop blade so that you can stop yourself from dying and then asura me?  I won't even worry about that, while I land at least 2 hits or so and then you use stop blade, I just took chunks of your HP, then I just need to switch shields and let my reflecting do the work against your asura.

I like how you keep stating that you have berries? How about I just tell you that I have yggd berries, go on spiral and beat you down?  Plus, I can just bash your health away and stun you so that you won't do anything while you're stunned.  Are you going to say you have enough vit to be stun proof?  I doubt it, because you don't have enough stats for both damage, HP, vit proof, int, and dex all together. Unless you're talking about high rate, which sadly, I'm not, and have been only talking about low rate servers.

By the way, just to annoy you, I'm pro enough to "cancel" my attacks before you use stop blade.  Then while you're using stop blade, I'll just go behind you and do some random one-hit kills on you.

If you'd like, I can continue a lot more, bring in loads of builds and counter every single thing you throw at me with your champion.

Oh and before I forget, if you can cancel anytime for yourself, I can also cancel anything that you want to do just by a simple provoke.

And on the plus side for myself, you contradicted yourself:

"I can cancel it anytime" and "and also with the orleans all champs are fast cast lack of sphere's"
From what you said there, you said you can cancel, therefore the casting is slow enough to be cancelled, and that with orleans, you can cast SO QUICK, that a lord knight slashing 1.4k per hit at 185+ attack speed won't be able to kill you because you can spam berries + spirit sphere before you die.

Oh, and one more thing (Lol, check me out and my superb ranting) if you're going to JUST cast spheres so that you can relocate and you won't cast fury, I can just use charge every time you relocate, making it a pointless effort in struggling away from me.  It would be a different story if you used fury so that it wouldn't take your spirit spheres away everytime you relocate, but sadly, using fury only creates a bigger delay for your escape, and allows me to slash you a few more hits.

And please do consider the fact that my character is already in front of you when you try to berry and run away. Also, please note that I have you in a lock. Also, if it helps you by any chance, I can just easily change my blade so that I can silence you extremely easily, making it more difficult for you to cast anything.

Alas, if you're going to bring berries in to this battle of wits, I'll be bringing in ygg berries and such.
P.S. I can switch to parry build and rely on luck against asura or use a smokie card and hide away from asura.

One hand weapon > Two hand weapon.  It deals more damage and plus you have a shield at your side. And if you're smart, you'd use both builds and have a soul linker at your side.
Oh and speed pot? That wouldn't help at all since I still have you on a lock, I can also use speed pots, and I have the skill charge in that matter.

So many items are being brought in to this that it makes me just want to say:
"I use firewall scroll and trap you so that you can't escape and must go through me"

EDIT: I forgot to mention:

Speed pot + Peco peco > Speed potting Champion

And I can use stone curse.

EDIT: Nevermind, this topic is an epic failure that I will not consider in continuing to rant in. However, it was fun.

[Aragorn]

Now I'm just slashing my interweb-wrists, straining the fact that you can't do such things.

Asura Strike:  Usable only when Fury is active. Uses all SP to do massive damage to the target, HP/SP will not regenerate naturally for 5 minutes after Asura Strike is used. Cancels Fury after use and requires all remaining Spirit Spheres (that is all 5 if cast independently). Damage is [(Weapon ATK+Base ATK) x (8 + SP/10) + 250 + (SkillLV*150)]*Card Effects. Can be used while catching someone using LV 5 Blade Stop or with no Cast Time at the end of a combo attack (Raging Trifecta Blow -> Raging Quadruple Blow -> Raging Thrust -> [Tiger Knuckle Fist and/or Chain Crush Combo ->] Asura Strike) but the Fury and sphere and Fury requirements remain in both cases (usable with the 4 spheres remaining after activating Blade Stop/Raging Thrust). Increasing the Asura Strike skill level has a relatively small effect on total damage compared to increasing SP, INT or STR.
Warning: Skill CAN BE INTERRUPTED.

Fury:   Raises Critical Rate by 7.5+2.5*SkillLV for skill's duration. SP regeneration is suspended during this time. 5 Spirit Spheres required.

Relocation:Directly teleport to any chosen cell. You can not move to or over non movable cells this way, e.g. up a cliff. Uses up 1 Spirit Sphere. If under Fury state, you can use this skill without the need for Spirit Spheres. After using this skill, you cannot use Asura Strike for the following 2 seconds.

Unless you instant cast spirit balls (which I doubt since if you can, you'd die in only 4 slashes from me, which won't even help you one bit), you don't have enough time to do ANYTHING after one asura strike.

plus, seeing as you say you can cancel at any given time, I'm happy that you can, since that states that your casting time is slow enough for you to put a cast cancel in.  Seeing as it's slow enough and that you must be near me to use asura, I won't even need to berserk against you since I slash quick enough to interrupt your casting.  Not only that, but if you have a card that lets you cast without being interrupted, that's even better, I'd slash you a few hits, then just switch on high orc so that I can smile against your asura.

Plus, I don't care if you can cancel, I just won't berserk, got that?  If you cancel, I'll just do what I stated earlier:

"If you were not to asura strike, I don't need to berserk, and I'll just continue using bash and charge to your death plus I also have magnum break for element and hit bonus, as well as switching to spear and spiral you for a last hit while you relocate away from me.  Besides, my skills in charging is as great as most champion's relocation."

Cast fast enough for spheres so that you can relocate yourself? I can slash quick enough before you can even relocate, and even if you manage to relocate, I can just easily charge and continue my slashing havoc of fury on you.  Besides, I'm smart enough to switch to spear and spiral you for a last hit kill.

Stop blade so that you can stop yourself from dying and then asura me?  I won't even worry about that, while I land at least 2 hits or so and then you use stop blade, I just took chunks of your HP, then I just need to switch shields and let my reflecting do the work against your asura.

I like how you keep stating that you have berries? How about I just tell you that I have yggd berries, go on spiral and beat you down?  Plus, I can just bash your health away and stun you so that you won't do anything while you're stunned.  Are you going to say you have enough vit to be stun proof?  I doubt it, because you don't have enough stats for both damage, HP, vit proof, int, and dex all together. Unless you're talking about high rate, which sadly, I'm not, and have been only talking about low rate servers.

By the way, just to annoy you, I'm pro enough to "cancel" my attacks before you use stop blade.  Then while you're using stop blade, I'll just go behind you and do some random one-hit kills on you.

If you'd like, I can continue a lot more, bring in loads of builds and counter every single thing you throw at me with your champion.

Oh and before I forget, if you can cancel anytime for yourself, I can also cancel anything that you want to do just by a simple provoke.

And on the plus side for myself, you contradicted yourself:

"I can cancel it anytime" and "and also with the orleans all champs are fast cast lack of sphere's"
From what you said there, you said you can cancel, therefore the casting is slow enough to be cancelled, and that with orleans, you can cast SO QUICK, that a lord knight slashing 1.4k per hit at 185+ attack speed won't be able to kill you because you can spam berries + spirit sphere before you die.

Oh, and one more thing (Lol, check me out and my superb ranting) if you're going to JUST cast spheres so that you can relocate and you won't cast fury, I can just use charge every time you relocate, making it a pointless effort in struggling away from me.  It would be a different story if you used fury so that it wouldn't take your spirit spheres away everytime you relocate, but sadly, using fury only creates a bigger delay for your escape, and allows me to slash you a few more hits.

And please do consider the fact that my character is already in front of you when you try to berry and run away. Also, please note that I have you in a lock. Also, if it helps you by any chance, I can just easily change my blade so that I can silence you extremely easily, making it more difficult for you to cast anything.

Alas, if you're going to bring berries in to this battle of wits, I'll be bringing in ygg berries and such.
P.S. I can switch to parry build and rely on luck against asura or use a smokie card and hide away from asura.

One hand weapon > Two hand weapon.  It deals more damage and plus you have a shield at your side. And if you're smart, you'd use both builds and have a soul linker at your side.
Oh and speed pot? That wouldn't help at all since I still have you on a lock, I can also use speed pots, and I have the skill charge in that matter.

So many items are being brought in to this that it makes me just want to say:
"I use firewall scroll and trap you so that you can't escape and must go through me"

EDIT: I forgot to mention:

Speed pot + Peco peco > Speed potting Champion

And I can use stone curse.

EDIT: Nevermind, this topic is an epic failure that I will not consider in continuing to rant in. However, it was fun.

YOUR POST = FAIL

[mark_sanbeda]

You don't understand what i posted do you?
Oh yea, @fluidin he uses megs for the 1.4k i used it back then, it can even reach 2k.. then would it be a match if i use mjol?

and also this is for real this time:

PS: your right this topic is ridiculous... i should stop now

[~~T~~]

Your character have some HP
He hits for some damage
The WoE is one hour
And everything else is theory.

[fluidin]

You are so NOT going to tell me you are pro enough to speed pot after the champ and continue hacking at him. He can run in so many different directions, and change running angles abruptly, so that your superior speed actually becomes an disadvantage.

The argument about the different counter strategies is pretty much useless, I agree.

Anyway, do you know how difficult it is stop your attacks when your aspd is so high? The delay between hacking away and stopping is quite long when you click somewhere else. A high aspd LK is easily rooted. I take it you were joking about this. How would you be able to tell when he is going to Root, anyway? Even if your reaction time were to be fast enough, I believe the in game response time cannot keep up.

P.S You brought megs into the discussion? Forget it then.

@mark: Sorry, but I have absolutely no experience with God items. I only PvP on non customized 99/70 servers which do not have God items.

[Poki]

Lol, I didn't even bring megs to the conversation. Sadly, it was only an assumption made by mark.
Actually, most idiots who try to use stop blade uses it immediately when the sprite seems to be in front of them. It's a common reaction made by many players.  I learned to trick those players though and really, it's not hard fooling one's mind.

@fluidin Yeah, a champion with speed potion can run towards many directions, I agree, but what makes me even better is that I can follow easily. I might not be able to keep up while slashing at them, but I can definitely keep up without giving the champion a moment to cast any skills. Hopefully this makes things clearer for you.

@Mark I understood what you were talking about, but it was idiotic because you keep repeating the same things. It really went from one small thing to a big one. I knew how to countered every single thing you said, but the problem was that you never really got it through your head.

I don't understand how you even turned this in to a fight either, it went from this:

"Berserk is helpful for emp breaking and HP healing as well as locking on characters.  As the name is said, it's more of a last move skill where everything seems hopeless and you're near death.  Berserk is usually used for me when a champion is on the verge to asura strike me.  It helps to have my HP tripled, taking in the asura, and slashing the champ to death."

to what we see now. I laugh so hard right now because I realized that I did in fact, kept repeating that this was only aimed at players who are about to asura me, but you kept defending your lovely class and saying that you won't, which completely had nothing to do with what I said, which was extremely irrelevant.

@aragorn Your posts = fail
Why? Because the only thing you've said for most of the posts you've made was regarding the words "=fail"

[Guest]

~o Aragorn~
if you keep spamming like that your going to end up back on mod~



any way continue you guys ^^

[baseballGuy]

How about asura then speed pot than argue with the reloc thing?

You are so NOT going to tell me you are pro enough to speed pot after the champ and continue hacking at him. He can run in so many different directions, and change running angles abruptly, so that your superior speed actually becomes an disadvantage.

[fluidin]

Oh nvm. I remembered my server's champs use Brazil national cap/event hat thing + tongue/smiling mask + authoritative badge + speed pot to Asura and scoot off after that. I don't think your server has the cap and mask, it's a pain in the donkey to chase after those even if you have them, trust me. It's like having a Ferrarri, and realizing it's screwed because every time you softly step on the pedal the meter reads 150 mph. This on top of chasing after a guy who goes at 120 mph, and you guys are in an open plain thing.

The champs who hotkey bwing and immediately press it after Asura are even worse.