When players insult you AFTER they're banned, lol.

[Mewi]

It's natural for people to react and type things based on impulse.
It may be funny, but to them, it isn't, I'd be mad too.

But to who?  You may want to clarify lol

@Serenity:  Don't you just love being insulted based on your sexual orientation? o.o

[Xeighter]

It's natural for people to react and type things based on impulse.
It may be funny, but to them, it isn't, I'd be mad too.

But to who?  You may want to clarify lol

@Serenity:  Don't you just love being insulted based on your sexual orientation? o.o

Clarify what?
When a user is banned, it's not funny. I hate being banned, even on small sites or places I am inactive in. I think a lot of people hate the feeling of being rejected from a place on the reason of something they disagree or feel they have not violated under any circumstance and to add on top of that, feel helpless and muted so that they can't even reason or justify themselves and hopefully solve the matter.

[Mewi]

It's natural for people to react and type things based on impulse.
It may be funny, but to them, it isn't, I'd be mad too.

But to who?  You may want to clarify lol

@Serenity:  Don't you just love being insulted based on your sexual orientation? o.o

Clarify what?
When a user is banned, it's not funny. I hate being banned, even on small sites or places I am inactive in. I think a lot of people hate the feeling of being rejected from a place on the reason of something they disagree or feel they have not violated under any circumstance and to add on top of that, feel helpless and muted so that they can't even reason or justify themselves and hopefully solve the matter.

When you have rules like

Rule 2. Respect all Players and Moderation Authorities.

Racism, sexist remarks, slander, discrimination, public vulgarity, as well as the use of disparaging terms, whether it be against ones race, gender, nationality, religion, or sexual orientation, will not be tolerated.

Respect all members even if they are not respecting you. Do not harass, offend or in any manner try to cause a flame war. If someone is offending you intentionally then please do not fuel the fire, report it to a GM or Moderator immediately.

Do not stalk, sexually harass or discriminate another player, person, or entity. Do not persistently harass a GM and defame a GM's person with lies and slander, you will find yourself quite banned. Rude players will also be dealt with justly if the GM team finds that that player is causing to many problems.

It's kind of hard to justify yourself when you've broken them lol, especially if you've been warned 20 times before hand.

[jTynne]

It's natural for people to react and type things based on impulse.
It may be funny, but to them, it isn't, I'd be mad too.

But to who?  You may want to clarify lol

@Serenity:  Don't you just love being insulted based on your sexual orientation? o.o

I just laugh so hard when people are like, "YOU FGT!! DIIIIIIEEEE!" when I ban them. I've dealt with real life resistance from actual people when I started a GSA in my high school, which turned into one of the largest of the state. A few petty lines of text doesn't phase me, and even if someone harasses me offline, it's not like I couldn't throw down, haha. People who resort to telling me just how "gay I am", tickle my funny bone. *g*

[Xeighter]

It's natural for people to react and type things based on impulse.
It may be funny, but to them, it isn't, I'd be mad too.

But to who?  You may want to clarify lol

@Serenity:  Don't you just love being insulted based on your sexual orientation? o.o

Clarify what?
When a user is banned, it's not funny. I hate being banned, even on small sites or places I am inactive in. I think a lot of people hate the feeling of being rejected from a place on the reason of something they disagree or feel they have not violated under any circumstance and to add on top of that, feel helpless and muted so that they can't even reason or justify themselves and hopefully solve the matter.

When you have rules like

Rule 2. Respect all Players and Moderation Authorities.

Racism, sexist remarks, slander, discrimination, public vulgarity, as well as the use of disparaging terms, whether it be against ones race, gender, nationality, religion, or sexual orientation, will not be tolerated.

Respect all members even if they are not respecting you. Do not harass, offend or in any manner try to cause a flame war. If someone is offending you intentionally then please do not fuel the fire, report it to a GM or Moderator immediately.

Do not stalk, sexually harass or discriminate another player, person, or entity. Do not persistently harass a GM and defame a GM's person with lies and slander, you will find yourself quite banned. Rude players will also be dealt with justly if the GM team finds that that player is causing to many problems.

It's kind of hard to justify yourself when you've broken them lol, especially if you've been warned 20 times before hand.

My mother used to tell me over 100 times to do something or not to point and such, no matter how violent or creative her punishments got, I still did them.
It's an impulse and sometimes I can't restrain myself. So you're right, it is kind of hard to justify an authoritative stranger why you did or said x or x things, but that doesn't make you wrong.

I'm talking in general, if you want to get circumstantial and split hairs, then I'm done.

[Mewi]

My mother used to tell me over 100 times to do something or not to point and such, no matter how violent or creative her punishments got, I still did them.
It's an impulse and sometimes I can't restrain myself. So you're right, it is kind of hard to justify an authoritative stranger why you did or said x or x things, but that doesn't make you wrong.

I'm talking in general, if you want to get circumstantial and split hairs, then I'm done.

You mean if I want to get logical ;p?  Just because it was an impulse doesn't mean you ( in theorY ) didn't do the crime,  you do the crime, you do the time.  Not being able to restrain yourself, for whatever reason... is of no consequence to me but of course, it is of consequence to you.

@Serenity:  Just how gay are you!? XD

[jTynne]

You've worked with me before, you tell me? Teasing.

Umm, in all honesty uhhh, I have no idea. You'd have to ask my players or people who know me personally. Lol.

[Mewi]

You've worked with me before, you tell me? Teasing.

Umm, in all honesty uhhh, I have no idea. You'd have to ask my players or people who know me personally. Lol.

lol, good old EuphRO days.  I wonder what ever happened to Kiaru after I banned her in iRC on Rise XD  All I wanted her to do was not abuse the iRC bot for lazy link clicking... as it spammed the channel up ;\ and it was in the rules @__@ and I told her like 23840329843 times.

Anyway D:  apparently after reading a LGBT blog I think it was like "Queers United" or something,  they had this slang word for a certain type of lesbian, and I fell under it almost exactly ( minus the guitar  ) Which was like scary, cause I thought I was one of the odder ones.
Earthy something Lesbian

Earth <3 Earth
Girls <3 Girls XD
Vegetarian <3 Veges

[Xeighter]

My mother used to tell me over 100 times to do something or not to point and such, no matter how violent or creative her punishments got, I still did them.
It's an impulse and sometimes I can't restrain myself. So you're right, it is kind of hard to justify an authoritative stranger why you did or said x or x things, but that doesn't make you wrong.

I'm talking in general, if you want to get circumstantial and split hairs, then I'm done.

You mean if I want to get logical ;p?  Just because it was an impulse doesn't mean you ( in theorY ) didn't do the crime,  you do the crime, you do the time.  Not being able to restrain yourself, for whatever reason... is of no consequence to me but of course, it is of consequence to you.

@Serenity:  Just how gay are you!? XD

No, logical and circumstantial are two different things.
And all criminal offenses are withheld in a court of law before fully prosecuted for their crimes/ actions. Thus, banning a member immediately after doing their "crime" is actually injust in every fashion, if we went by your analytical viewpoint.

Please, I know the words I use.

[Mewi]

My mother used to tell me over 100 times to do something or not to point and such, no matter how violent or creative her punishments got, I still did them.
It's an impulse and sometimes I can't restrain myself. So you're right, it is kind of hard to justify an authoritative stranger why you did or said x or x things, but that doesn't make you wrong.

I'm talking in general, if you want to get circumstantial and split hairs, then I'm done.

You mean if I want to get logical ;p?  Just because it was an impulse doesn't mean you ( in theorY ) didn't do the crime,  you do the crime, you do the time.  Not being able to restrain yourself, for whatever reason... is of no consequence to me but of course, it is of consequence to you.

@Serenity:  Just how gay are you!? XD

No, logical and circumstantial are two different things.
And all criminal offenses are withheld in a court of law before fully prosecuted for their crimes/ actions. Thus, banning a member immediately after doing their "crime" is actually injust in every fashion, if we went by your analytical viewpoint.

Please, I know the words I use.

Now who is splitting hairs? o.o  You are assuming I banned someone without telling them of their crime?  Wrong,  I had warned/banned that person many times before.  I can ban someone without warning if the person banned has already been warned for that particular infraction in the past.

Edit:  and that goes especially if that person had been warned on 20 different occasions for the same exact thing.  Speaking of your wording ,  it kind of reminds me of what Shah said about me banning bots "You should warn the person botting before you ban them" please.. its not always that simple D:

[Xeighter]

My mother used to tell me over 100 times to do something or not to point and such, no matter how violent or creative her punishments got, I still did them.
It's an impulse and sometimes I can't restrain myself. So you're right, it is kind of hard to justify an authoritative stranger why you did or said x or x things, but that doesn't make you wrong.

I'm talking in general, if you want to get circumstantial and split hairs, then I'm done.

You mean if I want to get logical ;p?  Just because it was an impulse doesn't mean you ( in theorY ) didn't do the crime,  you do the crime, you do the time.  Not being able to restrain yourself, for whatever reason... is of no consequence to me but of course, it is of consequence to you.

@Serenity:  Just how gay are you!? XD

No, logical and circumstantial are two different things.
And all criminal offenses are withheld in a court of law before fully prosecuted for their crimes/ actions. Thus, banning a member immediately after doing their "crime" is actually injust in every fashion, if we went by your analytical viewpoint.

Please, I know the words I use.

Now who is splitting hairs? o.o  You are assuming I banned someone without telling them of their crime?  Wrong,  I had warned/banned that person many times before.  I can ban someone without warning if the person banned has already been warned for that particular infraction in the past.

Edit:  and that goes especially if that person had been warned on 20 different occasions for the same exact thing.

Um, I was adding precision and accuracy to your comparison, you over-simplified the judiciary system incorrectly. Where's the split of hairs if I may ask?
I didn't say anything of the sort, please reread all my posts and indicate where I stated exactly what you're assuming.

Wrong,  I had warned/banned that person many times before.  I can ban someone without warning if the person banned has already been warned for that particular infraction in the past.

That's splitting hairs. You are now going into personal examples to make a point when I was speaking in general. On some circumstances, what I say is wrong, but in the majority, I stand by my point.

[Mewi]

Um, I was adding precision and accuracy to your comparison, you over-simplified the judiciary system incorrectly. Where's the split of hairs if I may ask?
I didn't say anything of the sort, please reread all my posts and indicate where I stated exactly what you're assuming.

Wrong,  I had warned/banned that person many times before.  I can ban someone without warning if the person banned has already been warned for that particular infraction in the past.

That's splitting hairs. You are now going into personal examples to make a point when I was speaking in general. On some circumstances, what I say is wrong, but in the majority, I stand by my point.

Personal?  Generally personal experiences gathered are the personal experienced used as examples to derive a point,  are you saying I can't use personal examples to prove a point?  For some reason you brought up real life legal system... when we were ( or at least I was ) discussing video game policy and justifications to administer punishment.  Certainly on official servers, with all their rules and regulations,  for the most part, people don't get warned before they are punished, instead its the exact opposite.

So to make a long story short.

  I have the Evidence,  You did the Crime,  You do the time.   Seems fair enough ;o

[Xeighter]

Um, I was adding precision and accuracy to your comparison, you over-simplified the judiciary system incorrectly. Where's the split of hairs if I may ask?
I didn't say anything of the sort, please reread all my posts and indicate where I stated exactly what you're assuming.

Wrong,  I had warned/banned that person many times before.  I can ban someone without warning if the person banned has already been warned for that particular infraction in the past.

That's splitting hairs. You are now going into personal examples to make a point when I was speaking in general. On some circumstances, what I say is wrong, but in the majority, I stand by my point.

Personal?  Generally personal experiences gathered are the personal experienced used as examples to derive a point,  are you saying I can't use personal examples to prove a point?  For some reason you brought up real life legal system... when we were ( or at least I was ) discussing video game policy and justifications to administer punishment.  Certainly on official servers, with all their rules and regulations,  for the most part, people don't get warned before they are punished, instead its the exact opposite.

So to make a long story short.

  I have the Evidence,  You did the Crime,  You do the time.   Seems fair enough ;o

This is contradicting. You can use personal experiences to gather a point, but there it's subjective and based on your memory, since the banned user isn't here to tell me the story as well (from a different) perspective, I cannot fully acknowledge your case, especially since it's circumstantial and I was speaking in general (meaning that despite certain occurrences that you or anyone else has experienced that branch off from what my main argument).

The legal system was introduced when you stated this: you do the crime, you do the time. A general saying used for criminals and was soon invoked a lot on Television shows and films. As cunning as this may sound, it's lacking and should be not be used as a "motto" or sentence to conclude a point, no matter how witty you think it sounds.

In actuality, your conclusive sentence, once again partial and indefinite should ring more: "I have the evidence that proves you did the crime, however there are possibilities in which I may have overlooked or ignored, so you may present your case. Though, anything said that isn't the truth without substantial evidence will cause you to lose more and more credibility." Mind you, this doesn't include those who truly have done the crime or their reasoning is purely silly/ fully their fault, but being withheld to even speak or voice their opinion on the matter is injust for everyone, including the truly condemned.

Yeah, not as sly as your wording, but that was what I was getting at.
However, you have totally deviated from my original post.

[cheesestix]

It's natural for people to react and type things based on impulse.
It may be funny, but to them, it isn't, I'd be mad too.

But to who?  You may want to clarify lol

@Serenity:  Don't you just love being insulted based on your sexual orientation? o.o

Clarify what?
When a user is banned, it's not funny. I hate being banned, even on small sites or places I am inactive in. I think a lot of people hate the feeling of being rejected from a place on the reason of something they disagree or feel they have not violated under any circumstance and to add on top of that, feel helpless and muted so that they can't even reason or justify themselves and hopefully solve the matter.

If they were able to contact the GM and start spamming/harassing/insulting them, then that means they had the ability to contact the GM and reason with them. If they can't restrain themselves and not break the rules of the server, they should go play on a server without those rules. Banning players isn't ever funny for me, and I always try to avoid it if possible. But, there are rules for a reason. These aren't rule of thumbs. They are strict rules to keep the community clean and fair, so the players who want to be there can play without worrying about being attacked by another player.

As far as I'm concerned, a person can get as angry as they want when they are banned. But, that doesn't change the fact that the rules were there, that they should know about them, and that they chose to break them knowing the consequences. What about the GM's who have to deal with these rule-breakers, and the players around who are negatively affected by these actions? Do you not think they would be angry as well? The problem with a lot of the people who break rules and get banned and then complain is that they only think about how they feel. They don't think about how the people around them feel.

That person in the screenshot I posted was banned on a previous occasion for KSing someone, then insulting them, and then telling them to read the rules when he himself didn't. How do you think the victim felt after he was KSed, insulted, and then told to read the rules when he knew the rules, and the person that KSed him obviously did not? And, how do you think I felt when I had to deal with this player? I was listening to his side of the story, much of which was insulting me, a good part of it for a ban extension given to him by another GM that he didn't have the guts to argue with (I've noticed that he has only been very insulting to myself and the other female GM, and not to any of the male staff members). I stayed up until 4AM listening to him rant and tell me that I don't listen to what players say, despite having early morning classes the next day. Please tell me honestly how you would feel if you had to deal with this, Xeighter.

PS: If you want to bring in the issue of real life laws, when a person who commits a crime is caught by an officer of the law, they are immediately detained. They go to court to appeal while they are being detained. Going by your logic, that shouldn't be how things work. The police officer who arrests the criminal shouldn't detain him, but instead immediately call in a judge, lawyers and everything, and have the trial right on the spot before they decide whether to put the person in jail or not. I don't know if that makes sense to you, but it sure doesn't seem like a very effective approach to me...

[Xeighter]

Okay, let's bring it back to my original phrase, I don't want to go forward with a tangent that wasn't my initial response: When a user is banned, it's not funny. I hate being banned, even on small sites or places I am inactive in. I think a lot of people hate the feeling of being rejected from a place on the reason of something they disagree or feel they have not violated under any circumstance and to add on top of that, feel helpless and muted so that they can't even reason or justify themselves and hopefully solve the matter.

Whether or not the user is banned under reasonable terms or not, I was stating that a user hates being banned, period and that it's only normal for them to sputter insults and words of hate. Whether or not you receive them or not is hardly of their concern (at least I wouldn't care, when I stub my toe I usually scream a lot of things solely to fume and release the pain). While some may laugh and scoff so openly how it doesn't "affect" them, I claim that it may be comical for those sort of people, but the user banned feels discouraged and hurt, even if they were banned on their own accord. Once again, people over-extend my original words through implications.

I didn't view your screenshots nor did I pay attention to the screenshots given, nor am I interested in personal experiences and stories that involve 0 use for what I was trying to relay. I am not going to give my personal emotions or opinion towards a subject that has no inclusion of myself. I am speaking on general broad terms with many variables that are possible.

As for your last comment PS: If you want to bring in the issue of real life laws, when a person who commits a crime is caught by an officer of the law, they are immediately detained. They go to court to appeal while they are being detained. Going by your logic, that shouldn't be how things work. The police officer who arrests the criminal shouldn't detain him, but instead immediately call in a judge, lawyers and everything, and have the trial right on the spot before they decide whether to put the person in jail or not. I don't know if that makes sense to you, but it sure doesn't seem like a very effective approach to me...

This is loosely translating what I was saying and simply bricking up a new illogical story so it can appear that I am being too open-minded. Naturally to have people physically present on the spot is literally impossible, but is it not possible to do this via the GM who had just banned you and the user who had just been banned? Or better yet, why don't we jail the person or contact them via the forums, where words typed/ said remain there for the recipient to receive and read when their time gives them liberty to do so.