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Title: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: Joshy_1289 on Oct 28, 2008, 06:06 PM
Soo Like the Subject states, What do you think about Donates on a private server?

What kind of system do you have implemented? Is iT Working? What would you Change?
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate Is Thy Question
Post by: Poki on Oct 28, 2008, 08:19 PM
Donation is not the way to go.  Less problems occur if donations do not exist with in the server. Unless it's the type of donation where you donate and don't exactly get anything back except feeling good that you donated.

Whatever the case, donation leads to a lot of problems.
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate Is Thy Question
Post by: Defaced on Oct 28, 2008, 08:26 PM
Equipments that are not overpowered and can be tradeable in-game always fit the balanced donation system. I believe it will give you little problems but not that hard to solve.
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate Is Thy Question
Post by: Poki on Oct 28, 2008, 08:32 PM
Well, depends on the donation system if we're going to look at it that way.  Either way, it'll boost up the economy really quickly if donation existed within the server.  If the items you get from donating aren't that great, then there will hardly be anyone donation. It might end up as players trying to pressure the Admin to increase the value of the items to the point where it will be worth it and where players who are capable and willing to donate will abuse it.
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate Is Thy Question
Post by: Defaced on Oct 28, 2008, 08:44 PM
Anyway, a good server doesn't need donations to survive. If they will depend on that system, much likely, it will end up on what you said. I may call it at first a weird economy. But as it progress, a stable economy will be made and the rewards will get to use on it.   
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate Is Thy Question
Post by: Joshy_1289 on Oct 28, 2008, 09:32 PM
Hmmm...

I'm really quite unsure what you mean  a good server doesn't need donations?

The way it translated in my head is: If you pay for your server on your own then your server is better?!
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate Is Thy Question
Post by: Poki on Oct 28, 2008, 10:03 PM
Well if you can pay for your server and not need any donations, of course it will be better for the players.

Hardcore players often hate it when donors get an advantage.  It's best to keep it fair.  Donations will make things a bit more complicated.  But of course, it's only my opinion and it is not that bad, it's just that it's better if donations weren't used in servers.
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate Is Thy Question
Post by: Defaced on Oct 28, 2008, 10:16 PM
Hmmm...

I'm really quite unsure what you mean  a good server doesn't need donations?

The way it translated in my head is: If you pay for your server on your own then your server is better?!

Server that doesn't need donations to survive are always better. Why? Like what we are discussing right now, reward issues will not occur. However, you can also stick to my option I posted earlier.
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate Is Thy Question
Post by: InFlamesWeTrust on Oct 28, 2008, 11:01 PM
I played a server awhile back that allowed you to donate for custom hair and color dyes.  Custom as in they made them, not the ones you find on all the 'custom' servers.  They were questable too.  Surprisingly they made a pretty penny off of it.

Anyways, I think servers should provide donations if they're in trouble financially.  Not overpowered or unbalanced items mind you.  But generally, I'm for it.
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: Joshy_1289 on Oct 28, 2008, 11:31 PM
Well the reason I asked is we provide a simple non unbalancing donation system on our server...

stuff such as:

Dead Branches
Bubble Gum
25% and 300% EXP Books
Gym Passes
and a few other small items

We Use a Coin system as well. 50 ROnin Coins = 1 US Dollar. They are not redeemable for money, but you can buy them for in game purposes only...

To keep things equal and fair I came up with the Poring Named ROning... This monster drops ROnin Coins at a 10% Drop rate. We use him for events like poring pops and stuff. Every event we do, the prize is either ROnin Coins or a Small Amount of Zeny, Sometimes both if its a large Event. We try to provide Donors and Non Donors the same opportunity to succeed in game. We have 8 Admins/Owners for our server and we are 100% capable of running the server with our own funds, which we have previously discussed. The donation system isn't to benefit us, its for the players.  With or With out donations we still would have a Coin System, the only benefit to donating on our server is if you want Extra coins.

I have yet to find a problem with this system, but what do you guys think?
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: Pandora on Oct 29, 2008, 08:32 AM
I think there are 2 types of donators, people who want to donate to get stronger faster, and people who want to help the server, the line is not 100% defined, some fit in both categories, but overall they are separate.

On my server we decided to try to balance donations are much as possible by offering chance items (all of which can be obtained in game too), some people still think it's unbalanced, but I think in comparison to stat gears it's really much better. This results in the fact that it's not elitists that donate, instead it's casual players who value the fact that the donation are not unbalanced and willingly want to help the server out. I've even had one person refuse to receive any items, and another who keeps donating even if he can't play ro anymore.

I've always said that I would cover the cost of the server if the donation didn't, but players have been so generous, I haven't had to spend any of my money on the server for about 2 years, (I do give a lot of my time however). We never ask for donations either, no annoying broadcast to encourage it, people appreciate that they are not pressured into donating and I think it makes them wanna help even more.

Treat your players with respect and they will respect you back. Be honest with them, don't start a server to make a profit and you'll see there will be donators to help with your costs.
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: Hutchy on Oct 29, 2008, 09:32 AM
Treat your players with respect and they will respect you back. Be honest with them, don't start a server to make a profit and you'll see there will be donators to help with your costs.

This.

There are a lot of obvious downsides to donation systems that include custom gears of any kind (not even considering whether or not they maintain the server's balance). Any custom gears will eventually create a rift between those with money IRL and those without it, I think - and it's a pain in the donkey to figure out whether this stat should be +3 or +25 or whatever, how much it should be... you get the point. You've got to slave over it to make sure it's a) worth the money they're spending, but b) not disrupting the playerbase.

People will sometimes expect to be treated better based on the fact that they chipped in a twenty, while others understand that it's as its name implies - a DONATION. There are no refunds. You don't give to a charity and then go back a week later when you need gas money and demand they give you your five bucks back. You give what you give, and you get what you get. If your server has done a good job of maintaining balance, you won't NEED to donate in order to survive there, but you'll WANT to, to help support the lovely place you're playing. Or something.

I'm all for consumables as donates. Gears are a little too iffy, imo. Donate for OPBs, OBBs, BubbleGum, Exp Manuals, hell even for slotting something if you want to push it. But gears? Nowai.
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: Joshy_1289 on Oct 29, 2008, 01:28 PM
I agree, equip able donates are very hard implement with out upsetting some group of people.

But this is why i feel our system works, everyone can get everything just as fairly. You may have to work for it but the people who donated worked for there money, so why not work to get Coins in game...
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Oct 30, 2008, 05:25 AM
You may have to work for it but the people who donated worked for there money

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Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: You on Oct 30, 2008, 01:42 PM
You may have to work for it but the people who donated worked for there money

Working for relatively-insignificant bonuses on an online game does not equal working in real life for usable currency to live.  Besides, for most kids playing here, donation's a few minutes of whining to Mom/Dad/Legal Guardian.

Really, why aren't donation bonuses just called a Store?  It's essentially what it is, and if someone doesn't want to buy your crap, then just call it a donation.  It's hard to keep a straight face with eight billion "donation incentives" that have a huge price range.
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: Hutchy on Oct 30, 2008, 01:43 PM
You may have to work for it but the people who donated worked for there money

Working for relatively-insignificant bonuses on an online game does not equal working in real life for usable currency to live.  Besides, for most kids playing here, donation's a few minutes of whining to Mom/Dad/Legal Guardian.

Really, why aren't donation bonuses just called a Store?  It's essentially what it is, and if someone doesn't want to buy your crap, then just call it a donation.  It's hard to keep a straight face with eight billion "donation incentives" that have a huge price range.

Good point.
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: Irrelevant on Oct 30, 2008, 02:10 PM
You may have to work for it but the people who donated worked for there money

Working for relatively-insignificant bonuses on an online game does not equal working in real life for usable currency to live.  Besides, for most kids playing here, donation's a few minutes of whining to Mom/Dad/Legal Guardian.

Really, why aren't donation bonuses just called a Store?  It's essentially what it is, and if someone doesn't want to buy your crap, then just call it a donation.  It's hard to keep a straight face with eight billion "donation incentives" that have a huge price range.

Then again, you could count people who actually donate for the sake of keeping a server up with one hand. Far as my understanding goes, server owners call it donations since if it were called an item shop, they could get some legal issues with Gravity for copyrights and whatnot.
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: Descent on Oct 30, 2008, 02:21 PM
You may have to work for it but the people who donated worked for there money

Working for relatively-insignificant bonuses on an online game does not equal working in real life for usable currency to live.  Besides, for most kids playing here, donation's a few minutes of whining to Mom/Dad/Legal Guardian.

Really, why aren't donation bonuses just called a Store?  It's essentially what it is, and if someone doesn't want to buy your crap, then just call it a donation.  It's hard to keep a straight face with eight billion "donation incentives" that have a huge price range.

Then again, you could count people who actually donate for the sake of keeping a server up with one hand. Far as my understanding goes, server owners call it donations since if it were called an item shop, they could get some legal issues with Gravity for copyrights and whatnot.

+1 to this man right here.

We're forced to call it donations, or else it'll be viewed as something.....well....more illegal than a private server.

Josh, you are quite wrong in how you worded that one, bud. :X
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: Irrelevant on Oct 30, 2008, 04:16 PM
You is right to the point where donations are plain item shops, but hey, if it keeps your server up...
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: Shinoken on Oct 30, 2008, 05:11 PM
As I've always said on Ragnarok Society - Real Donation Item's will never exist here; I'll explain this system in short - we had a Coin-system. It was one of my unfinished projects until my host (Frantech.co.cc) screwed up for me:

We had 3 type of coins;
- Monster Coins (By getting in our Monster Arena - farming coins against Reflect (10) monsters on a 10% drop chance)
- Event Coins (Rewards for hosted events, exchange value: 25 Monster Coins [Not sure about Exchange Value anymore])
- Donation Coins ($1/Coin - Every $10 dollar you'll get a 20% bonus, exchange value: 100 Monster Coins [Not sure about Exchange Value Anymore])

We had these customized items:
- Monster Customs (Required 50 Monster Coins - +25 All Stats)
- Event Customs (Required 25 Event Coins - + 50 All Stats)
- Donation Customs (Required 12 Donation Coins - + 100 All Stats)
- Donation Card (Required 20 Donation Coins - eg. Stalker Card: Full Strip Level 1)

Monster Coins could be converted to either Event Coins or Donation Coins, and Event in Donation. Converting from Donation to Monster (Revert) would take 10% (Giving you only 90 Monster Coins, to save the economy of to change currency exchange)

Hope you found this useful, or any other individual looking for a donation system. One note, scripting this takes a real big amount of time.

Also, regarding to what others say; the term Donation is indeed token out of it's regular shape; when real donations get made, you'd get nothing in return (except maybe a small plush tiger  :P) - if you are financially dependable from donations to keep your server running, you just can't use donations anymore - as I've seen until now, cash wont roll in without an effective system, where both non-donators as donators are happy with the server. Currently finding people that would like to donate without getting something in return are very rare.

That was my post in a long while, back to working on Ragnarok Society' website again.

Bai,
~Shinoken
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: cheesestix on Oct 30, 2008, 06:42 PM
For the server I'm at, if we were to put up something over-powered, a large part of our population would be outraged. We don't even have bubble gums for donations, since the general consent there is that it gives too much of an edge.

Most of our donation items are un-stated hats that are compounded to a headgear you already have. Other things we have are aura's, and a few services, most of (or was it all?) which you can also use zeny to pay for. The only items that actually affect normal gameplay are the OBB/OPB, bloody branch, giant fly wings and stuff.

Donations can be redeemed as tickets, and players are free to vend/trade tickets. This makes it possible for players who don't donate to get donation items as well.

Although it's not enough to cover all the server costs every month, it helps, and the players seem satisfied with it.
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: Joshy_1289 on Oct 30, 2008, 08:38 PM
Im not quite sure how People dont work for the money they donate to keep the server running. I know when I get paid every other Thursday I worked for the money i donated. The people in game have to work for the coins they earn in game if they dont donate, it would take quite a long time to build up to the amount you could donate for, but its still consider working... Yes we donors work in the real world were we slave away each and everyday. I never met that its Equal work, I just mean we provide a fair system for donors and non donors...
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: Irrelevant on Oct 30, 2008, 11:06 PM
Asking your parents to donate for you; that's how you can donate without working for the money donated. Besides of all that, even if people see it as just an item shop, donators ultimately do help the server to stay up (in the case the donations are used to fund the server). As such, even if they don't get what you'd call "they're money's worth", they're a) Getting more of a free service they're already getting and b) Doing the same for the entire community. What most people don't realize is that running a server somewhat pars with the job Gravity does. Let alone that you have to pay for the expenses of keeping the server/site/forums, it is also a lot of work to come up with fresh ideas to keep your playerbase entertained and attract new players, solving the playerbase's issues (reports, bugs, support, etc.), and, generally, doing everything needed to keep your players in your server; and you -as a player- are getting all of that for free. It really wouldn't hurt you to give something back for it.
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: Loki on Oct 31, 2008, 12:31 AM
Donates are just donates. You donate to help the server because you were sincere. You can't expect to get something in return. Maybe a compensation like something useless but cool in-game or a different user-title in the forums. Donates =/= Special Privileges.
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: laoganma on Oct 31, 2008, 02:08 AM
@1st post

i think it will be good if you implement donation system purely to keep the server up and make the game more fun.

honesty is very important, start with showing an actual list of where all the donations money go in details, and make a list of who donated and how much so players wont think that you are asking for donation to fund your holiday trip to europe...

doesnt matter how much you are asking every month as long as its an honest list players will donate if they like you and your server.

and make sure you add donation items what wont ruin the games balance, maybe you can ask players opinion before releasing it.

Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: Loki on Oct 31, 2008, 03:33 AM

make a list of who donated and how much so players wont think that you are asking for donation to fund your holiday trip to europe...


Revealing personal information much? Making a list of who donated is enough. But also stating how much they donated in the list, is not a good idea. This could somewhat attracts beggars to the person who donated most or donated a large sum of money. Even hackers and whatnot would be attracted.
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: Pandora on Oct 31, 2008, 08:24 AM
Actually I agree with laoganma (for once), and I think it's good to be open and honest with your players about where their money goes, I have a donator list and spend list for my server, I write what the money is used for. As for the donator list, it's up to the player to choose which name they wanna appear under or if they prefer "anonymous".
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: Hutchy on Oct 31, 2008, 08:52 AM
I agree with being open and honest, but posting a list of who donated for how much is a violation of the players' privacy. What someone gives to the server is between them and the server owner. That's kinda like asking someone to publicly log where they spend their paycheques each week.

Being open about server costs is something I can get behind. Letting players know how their money is helping. keep their server running can bring you as an admin closer to your players. You'd want them to trust you with their money, whether it belonged to their parents or they themselves worked for it.

As long as you put a lot of thought into your donate system,it'll be appreciated, I think.
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: Pandora on Oct 31, 2008, 10:55 AM
Well if players have to agree to be in the donation list (under their desired name which doesn't have to be their character name) then it's not violating their privacy, if they don't wanna be named I simply write anonymous.
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: Garlyle on Nov 01, 2008, 04:11 AM
There are a few things I believe, in regard to donations.  Ironically, they all sum up to a couple key points.

1. Donations that allow for standard items are fine.  Donations that allow for custom items are dangerous.
If everything that a donator can get can be gotten through fair play, there shouldn't be much of an issue.  If you want to reduce the issue more?  Still don't allow the donator to get exceptionally valuable stuff (Such as MVP cards).

2. The issues caused by donations on a server is directly proportional to how PvP oriented the server is. (This is the big one!)
The main issue that people always have with donation rewards, especially donation customs... is imbalancing the gameplay.  More specifically, imbalancing PvP.  Because they're not donating, they're at a disadvantage, and that sucks.  The important thing is this: The more important PvP and WoE are to your server and players... the more of a danger anything that causes imbalance becomes.  I can vouch for the fact that players who are focused on PvM are far less concerned about class imbalance and having the player next to them be really powerful - because hey, in PvM, they're working together.
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: asdfqwerty123 on Nov 03, 2008, 11:28 PM
The main purpose of donations are to keep the server alive. 

If that means paying the server bills or paying for advertising, the goal is to keep players playing.  If you're rich and can afford to pay massive server bills every month, good for you.  For everyone else, a reasonable donation option should be available.  If you're doing it for profit, you're in the wrong place for that.  I don't think donations should give real advantages that free players can't obtain, at least relatively easily.  Appearance based rewards are good, overpowered stat buffers are horrible.  Unfortunately some admins who don't care about their players can make outrageously overpowered donation items, make a huge profit, and still keep their players.  The whole reason I created my own server was to avoid that and create a server players go play for free and still get most of the same experience.  You still walk a fine line of fair donations to worthless donations, trying to keep a good balance but still keeping donations valuable.  It's difficult to manage.

Never set "make money" as a goal.

Goal 1: Keep the players happy in the long run, not immediate wants or requests/suggestions
Goal 2: Keep the server online and stable, and updated often

If you can't keep a stable server of happy long-term players, then there is no need to ask for donations.
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: Shinae on Nov 04, 2008, 10:04 AM
The best donation system would be new hat sprites to replace your existing hat sprite. Makes you look different, nothing else. It doesn't affect stats balance at all. It doesn't bring zeny to player who donates.

And you should make these hats obtainable by some very long quest line. Or collecting some stuff a lot. Since there will always be players who want those hats, but can't afford to donate.

This way donators will be happy (they don't need to spend weeks doing quest or collecting items) and hard core players, who can't donate, will be happy since they can get those hats too by playing.

I personally don't like OBBs and OPBs as donation reward, since it has zeny value in game. OCAs are the worst.

Edit: Also you could add player name to something like "donators hall of fame" or something. Or give them special donators rank in forums.
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: Hutchy on Nov 04, 2008, 10:32 AM
There are always players willing to close the gap, though, by trading donation credits/items (or rather, their money o.o;) for ingame stuff. Somebody could say "I want that five-dollar pack of OCAs. I'll give you 5mil zeny for it." or something.

Or wait... do servers frown upon that? :c
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: Shinae on Nov 04, 2008, 11:40 AM
There are always players willing to close the gap, though, by trading donation credits/items (or rather, their money o.o;) for ingame stuff.

Aye that could happen in case of custom head gear sprites. So there is zeny advantage in my suggestion then. I didn't think about it through.

Maybe some sort of donation system to unlock some special options on stylist or some sort of features. Like special hair style or color. That's not tradeable to zeny. At least not easily.

Anyways I don't personally like those huge zeny advantage donation servers. Donations should be as neutral as possible. But if you leave it to donate and gain nothing, you won't get much donations. It's nice to have some sort of carrot to make people donate. I remember donating once back in my EuphRO days just to get that cool pirate corsair.
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: DeAmascus on Nov 05, 2008, 08:21 AM
I'll say this as an admin first, then a player.

Admin: the donation is YOUR choice whether to do it or not. It is not FORCED upon a person whether to donate, nor can we reach into your pocket and pull money out of it [unless we know you in person]  XD

Player: it causes problems because some "donation" items are really useful and really good. Therefore, nearly FORCING players to "donate". All in all, the word "Donation" means "giving of free will". When you see an item you want on an RO server, and the only way to donate..it's more of forcing it instead of giving the "donations" of free will.

That's MY opinion on it though. =x
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: asdfqwerty123 on Nov 10, 2008, 12:53 PM
The best donation system would be new hat sprites to replace your existing hat sprite.
If you use Xray you can have unlimited custom headgear sprites and not have to replace any default ones.  Just make sure you use a free Xray client they provide rather than a newer or beta one that requires you to pay to have that advertisement announcement removed.
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: Pandora on Nov 10, 2008, 01:26 PM
Xray is awesome, actually I see nothing wrong to pay for a client with no advertisement if you can afford it. We expect players to support the server, likewise I think it's nice to support someone who works for all private servers ^_^; it's only like 5$ anyway if I recall, just saying, of course the free client is nice too.
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: Orange on Nov 22, 2008, 02:56 PM
Didn't read the whole topic, but in the hundreds(server hopper ftw :D) of servers i have played over the year, donations can make or break a server easily.

I would say a server with no donations would be the best way to go, fair on everyone.

However having things such as non-stat headgears etc would not be bad, though none at all would be better.

Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: asdfqwerty123 on Nov 26, 2008, 02:35 PM
Servers that don't take donations are losing money and die quickly.
You need money to stay online, hosting isn't free.
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate Is Thy Question
Post by: mickiedeez on Dec 07, 2008, 11:24 AM
Anyway, a good server doesn't need donations to survive. If they will depend on that system, much likely, it will end up on what you said. I may call it at first a weird economy. But as it progress, a stable economy will be made and the rewards will get to use on it.   

That's like saying a good government doesn't need taxes lol.  You'd have to have a friggin multi-trillionaire to keep the government running efficiently.

Most server have to have donations eventually, unless the owner really can afford to spend hundreds on hosting, ads, and everything else each month.

On a mid rate, donations similar to justRO's are great,  donations on a low rate should be somethign like opb's or something.  On a high rate or super high rate its much harder and I think donations kind of get way too overpowered, unless they use items made for looks only.
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate Is Thy Question
Post by: Orange on Dec 12, 2008, 03:31 AM
On a mid rate, donations similar to justRO's are great,  donations on a low rate should be somethign like opb's or something.  On a high rate or super high rate its much harder and I think donations kind of get way too overpowered, unless they use items made for looks only.
(got nothing against it, its a great server but)

Servers like JustRO i would disagree on, where everyone has donates etc.

When i played there just about everyone had donation items, I think it is quite stupid when EVERYONE is using donates... Just my opinion :/
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: asdfqwerty123 on Dec 14, 2008, 03:24 PM
Well, ScytheRO has a good amount of people with donation items, even those who aren't donators can obtain them.  People donate to keep the server alive, and as long as we can keep above that line (server cost), we're ok.  If there is a problem, I'll limit the amount of new items coming into circulation and offer to buy up existing ones to kill the supply and raise the demand.  It's just a balance people need to find when offering donations.
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: Guest on Dec 14, 2008, 03:54 PM
xD i'm going to bring another thing about donations up

what do you do when your server has too many donations?
like say you have 10 people on your server, and you only need a max of 10$ from each, but your getting like 15$ from each, so what do you do?
Title: Re: To Donate or Not To Donate, That Is Thy Question
Post by: kinzoku on Dec 14, 2008, 07:20 PM
I can't believe that no one has posted the idea of donations that are purely for CONVENIENCE.
Screw stated custom head gear. It's alot more balanced if it's just something that is more convenient to the donator than the normal player, yet still obtainable by both.