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Offline DeAmascus

Hiring of GM's
« on: Nov 05, 2008, 08:33 AM »
Before I became an admin on my server, I realized that a lot of places were looking for people that can already GM. I don't find this fair for a few reasons.

1.) Experience:  What's the point of anyone that hasn't been a GM to apply yet, if the only people that would get "hired" are the ones that have experience. You can't just automatically know everything that a GM needs to know. A lot of it is personal experience FROM GM'ing, so if someone who never GM'ed before applies and gets denied and never HAS the chance to be a GM, it...makes it pointless.

2.) Attitude:  There are applications I've personally read that were GREAT, and the people knew a LOT even if they DIDN'T GM but I hate one thing, and one thing only. When a person goes to describe themselves saying they're nice, when clearly in game you see that they are rude to other players that..say aren't in their "guild" or on their "buddy" list.  How the HELL do they expect us to hire them, KNOWING that we're watching them, and being rude still to other people.

So you have a problem with a person, take it outside of the game [msn/aim/etc.] Or better yet...DON'T TALK TO THEM. It's THAT simple. I just want to bash peoples' heads sometimes when they just don't leave the subject alone even AFTER you ask them, and then when they get punished for it, they call you either corrupt [for doing your job] or they don't even know "why" they got punished. -__-;;

3.) Server:  It's supposed to be about the PLAYERS and having FUN. So why the HELL are there so many problems and so much drama going on. Big deal, a person called you a damn name...guess what? YOU'LL NEVER SEE THEM IN YOUR LIFE. Or it's a 90% chance you never will. What's the probability of you running into someone you meet on RO in real life, and actually knowing it's them. Seriously, it's the INTERNET. It's NOT SERIOUS. Get over it. I can't believe how someone would rub it in the others' face that, say they got the position another person wanted. What...the...hell. For all you know, it could be a really good friend of yours just acting in a different way over the net, YOU don't know that. =p


Those are just a few little issues I have. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe there are others that see it my way. Feel Free to discuss. =] 
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Offline Poki

Re: Hiring of GM's
« Reply #1 on: Nov 05, 2008, 10:25 AM »
Before I became an admin on my server, I realized that a lot of places were looking for people that can already GM. I don't find this fair for a few reasons.

1.) Experience:  What's the point of anyone that hasn't been a GM to apply yet, if the only people that would get "hired" are the ones that have experience. You can't just automatically know everything that a GM needs to know. A lot of it is personal experience FROM GM'ing, so if someone who never GM'ed before applies and gets denied and never HAS the chance to be a GM, it...makes it pointless.

2.) Attitude:  There are applications I've personally read that were GREAT, and the people knew a LOT even if they DIDN'T GM but I hate one thing, and one thing only. When a person goes to describe themselves saying they're nice, when clearly in game you see that they are rude to other players that..say aren't in their "guild" or on their "buddy" list.  How the HELL do they expect us to hire them, KNOWING that we're watching them, and being rude still to other people.

So you have a problem with a person, take it outside of the game [msn/aim/etc.] Or better yet...DON'T TALK TO THEM. It's THAT simple. I just want to bash peoples' heads sometimes when they just don't leave the subject alone even AFTER you ask them, and then when they get punished for it, they call you either corrupt [for doing your job] or they don't even know "why" they got punished. -__-;;

3.) Server:  It's supposed to be about the PLAYERS and having FUN. So why the HELL are there so many problems and so much drama going on. Big deal, a person called you a damn name...guess what? YOU'LL NEVER SEE THEM IN YOUR LIFE. Or it's a 90% chance you never will. What's the probability of you running into someone you meet on RO in real life, and actually knowing it's them. Seriously, it's the INTERNET. It's NOT SERIOUS. Get over it. I can't believe how someone would rub it in the others' face that, say they got the position another person wanted. What...the...hell. For all you know, it could be a really good friend of yours just acting in a different way over the net, YOU don't know that. =p


Those are just a few little issues I have. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe there are others that see it my way. Feel Free to discuss. =] 

For experience, you could always lie if you really want to be a GM that bad.  You can also try to talk to the employer in person on MSN, it usually gives you a better chance in getting the position and in explaining yourself as a wonderful person capable of doing many things that will support the server in many ways!

@Attitude:  Look at the way the present themselves at you.  See if you can spot and sentences that could lead to trouble when they talk or the way the talk.  You want to find someone who is normally presenting themselves exceptionally well and not those who aren't going to care how they seem to talk.  You can also find out roughly how old they are just by the way they act. The older they are, the wiser and better. (But not too old, if it goes to that point, I dee kay.srsly.)  When you know how old they are or how they present themselves, you'll understand whether they are serious and truthful that they are gentle, or if their immature and lying to you (and if they are professional or unprofessional at being a GM)

@Server: Unprofessional. They are just darn unprofessional.  They don't know what they're working for in other words and therefore, don't hire them, and at the very least, explain why.

(Maybe I shouldn't post this at all, I'm way too tired to know what the heck am I saying :/ )

Offline Head Monocle of DOOM

Re: Hiring of GM's
« Reply #2 on: Nov 05, 2008, 10:35 AM »
All very valid thoughts though:

1. Larger/Older servers that need to expand want GM's that know what they're doing for reputation purposes. One bad GM can ruin the whole server.

2. That is why many servers hold trial Periods for their new hires to watch how they act.

3. We're all human and regardless of what we're doing we hall the baggage that comes with it.
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Offline Aris

Re: Hiring of GM's
« Reply #3 on: Nov 05, 2008, 06:42 PM »
i find that people who have never really had any gm experience before, tend to be the better ones. at least from my experience... i mean you should always have a trial procedure. for example: make them a mod on the forums or something along those lines to test them.

Offline Mewi

Re: Hiring of GM's
« Reply #4 on: Nov 07, 2008, 12:02 AM »
No offense but that excuse "it's just the internet" has had people commit suicide over due to people cyber bullying.  So yes, it does matter.  The crime dog says so, and multiple TV ads state such things, they are there for a reason you know?  The fact that you should consider is that not everyone feels the same way about personal attacks, some people are like w/e while others are like "WTF IDIOT" and others take it to the moderators... You have to take it VERY seriously, because it is a serious issue.


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Offline Guest

Re: Hiring of GM's
« Reply #5 on: Nov 07, 2008, 01:17 AM »
No offense but that excuse "it's just the internet" has had people commit suicide over due to people cyber bullying.  So yes, it does matter.  The crime dog says so, and multiple TV ads state such things, they are there for a reason you know?  The fact that you should consider is that not everyone feels the same way about personal attacks, some people are like w/e while others are like "WTF IDIOT" and others take it to the moderators... You have to take it VERY seriously, because it is a serious issue.
Couldn't be more true,

Besides, lots and lots of people do kill them selves over cyber bullying, just people aren't mature enough to see that its whats happening, and they go on believing that they did nothing wrong.

Offline Scars

Re: Hiring of GM's
« Reply #6 on: Nov 07, 2008, 01:46 PM »
Internet is really a serious issue, the owner of Facebook is 23 years old and is a billionaire because of it, where else can you do that?

GM is an unpaid job that is demanded by many, though 90% of the people that wants to be GM, wants it for the fame and popularity that it brings. To me personally the best GMs are people who know me well, know how I work, and share my vision for the server. Most importantly some one who can build a friendship with me.

Weather they been GM or not previously doesn't count for s*** with me, for I am myself, not their previous admins.


This is a convo I had quite recently:

Hi?
hello sir
i saw ur post
u finding gms right?
sure I am always open for new talents
hmm
i am here for ur help
i am a good 1 yr exp event gm and 6months of head gm exp
i am active
i am helpfull kind and friendly
sure that's what they all say
tell me something different

i was a gm in shockwavero , nekofuryro , theoryro , static ro
resume anywhere?
nop
i talk to ppl personaly
no resume
so sir wht do u think
lol
what I think?
I am not interested, I think you have no talent whatsoever
and you will create nothing but trouble for me
that's what I think
discussion over.


I hate when they add me on MSN just for the purpose of applying..

asdfqwerty123

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Re: Hiring of GM's
« Reply #7 on: Nov 07, 2008, 03:13 PM »
The best way to tell if someone is worth hiring is to put them through an internship process where they have to help players and do homework weekly reporting everything they did and what hours they were doing their job.  Don't give them any powers or benefits, and make them send in an application with a lot of information.  It doesn't matter if you'll use all the information, the point is making them fill it out (a little work and thought put into it) so that they are not wasting your time in the first place.  You need to make sure staff are clear on their objectives and missions, keep that information easily available.  Require them to give up regular player activities like WoE and PvP and ETC.  If you are a staff member who has time to play as a normal player, you're not doing your job correctly.  Keep in contact with your staff, unfortunately this is something I personally have a lot of trouble with, but it is healthy to have regular meetings.
« Last Edit: Nov 07, 2008, 03:16 PM by Zairik »

Offline Guest

Re: Hiring of GM's
« Reply #8 on: Nov 07, 2008, 06:42 PM »
The best way to tell if someone is worth hiring is to put them through an internship process where they have to help players and do homework weekly reporting everything they did and what hours they were doing their job.  Don't give them any powers or benefits, and make them send in an application with a lot of information.  It doesn't matter if you'll use all the information, the point is making them fill it out (a little work and thought put into it) so that they are not wasting your time in the first place.  You need to make sure staff are clear on their objectives and missions, keep that information easily available.  Require them to give up regular player activities like WoE and PvP and ETC.  If you are a staff member who has time to play as a normal player, you're not doing your job correctly.  Keep in contact with your staff, unfortunately this is something I personally have a lot of trouble with, but it is healthy to have regular meetings.

i agree with this one, it seems to be the most humane way of testing, and telling people that they can't handle being a GM, or that they just aren't good at it.

Offline Head Monocle of DOOM

Re: Hiring of GM's
« Reply #9 on: Nov 08, 2008, 01:17 AM »
I like Zairik's idea.
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Offline Anti-Static Foam Cleaner

Re: Hiring of GM's
« Reply #10 on: Nov 08, 2008, 02:17 PM »
No offense but that excuse "it's just the internet" has had people commit suicide over due to people cyber bullying.  So yes, it does matter.

People who kill themselves over what someone wrote about them on the Internet were not worth the carbon they were using by simply existing.

@Scars: I'd stop talking to him based on his grammar alone.

Offline laoganma

Re: Hiring of GM's
« Reply #11 on: Nov 09, 2008, 04:21 PM »
@1st post

i think its better if you pick GMs yourself not because they are applying for it. spend time in the server (as a normal player), observe and see who is genuinely a nice person, smart, mature and trustworthy.
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Offline Sephy

Re: Hiring of GM's
« Reply #12 on: Nov 10, 2008, 09:11 AM »
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« Last Edit: Oct 09, 2010, 10:05 PM by Sephy »

asdfqwerty123

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Re: Hiring of GM's
« Reply #13 on: Nov 10, 2008, 12:36 PM »
mature

Related to maturity, I would set a minimum age requirement.  It's just a fact that most young kids will eventually lose their temper or do stupid things or deal with social situations badly because they don't have any age on them.  I recommend a minimum age requirement of 16.

You'll save yourself a lot of time and headache.
« Last Edit: Nov 10, 2008, 12:38 PM by Zairik »

Offline Orange

Re: Hiring of GM's
« Reply #14 on: Nov 22, 2008, 03:11 PM »
mature

Related to maturity, I would set a minimum age requirement.  It's just a fact that most young kids will eventually lose their temper or do stupid things or deal with social situations badly because they don't have any age on them.  I recommend a minimum age requirement of 16.

You'll save yourself a lot of time and headache.

D: Age should not be a factor in my opinion, most of the greatest GM's i have seen have been quite young and it sometimes mean they have more spare time to kill on the server :D
If i was to pick a GM, it would be someone who does not swear and tells the truth in there application, sure everyone sends in an application saying that they are nice but they rarely are. I would watch them and find the people that truly are nice.

Scars, i would of blocked the person as soon as he said i saw ur post... Who tries to become a GM and talks like that :D
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