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Offline Poki

Re: Admins, GMs, etc. playing on a RO server
« Reply #45 on: Oct 17, 2008, 11:59 AM »
So yeah, in the end, all the GMs should play in their server and @item Angra_Manyu and use it for WoE.

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Hutchy

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Re: Admins, GMs, etc. playing on a RO server
« Reply #46 on: Oct 17, 2008, 03:08 PM »
So yeah, in the end, all the GMs should play in their server and @item Angra_Manyu and use it for WoE.

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Offline Mewi

Re: Admins, GMs, etc. playing on a RO server
« Reply #47 on: Oct 17, 2008, 08:34 PM »
So yeah, in the end, all the GMs should play in their server and @item Angra_Manyu and use it for WoE.

I'd rather have a 4 socket whip with 2x Mazdah and 2x Angrya_Manyu in them.   @item2 <3  But seriously though >.<  If I want to play my legit that's my business x3  If I do my job right I shouldn't be feared by paranoid players to play a game.


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Descent

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Re: Admins, GMs, etc. playing on a RO server
« Reply #48 on: Oct 17, 2008, 08:42 PM »
If a player has a problem with me playing on my server(or anybody for that matter), I challenge them to find any ounce of corruption that stems from me playing on something that I configured and constantly work on. I will gladly provide @command tables and character stats, to boot.

I shouldn't have to "find another server to play on". It's MY server, I PAY for it, therefore, I can do whatever the hell I want with it.

Offline XionSiphon

Re: Admins, GMs, etc. playing on a RO server
« Reply #49 on: Nov 03, 2008, 11:12 PM »
When you are actually an admin of a server, playing RO just isn't the same anymore, least in my experience, and just to save the hassle of unnecessary commotion, I just don't play the server I GM/Admin on (Not that I play RO anymore to begin with)

Offline DeAmascus

Re: Admins, GMs, etc. playing on a RO server
« Reply #50 on: Nov 05, 2008, 08:18 AM »
A lot of people don't like the idea of admins/GM's having legit characters exactly to the fact that they think we'll be "cheating" and giving ourselves items. Which is also insulting as well as rude to think that way. It is true that a few GM's on a FEW servers had done that, however if the GM's and admins are putting their own money into the server, they should be allowed to give themselves the items. [speaking from experience] =] 
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asdfqwerty123

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Re: Admins, GMs, etc. playing on a RO server
« Reply #51 on: Nov 10, 2008, 01:13 PM »
If a player has a problem with me playing on my server(or anybody for that matter), I challenge them to find any ounce of corruption that stems from me playing on something that I configured and constantly work on. I will gladly provide @command tables and character stats, to boot.

I shouldn't have to "find another server to play on". It's MY server, I PAY for it, therefore, I can do whatever the hell I want with it.

You're making a server for you, not what is best for your players.  You might as well local host.  I'm not saying do everything your players tell you to do, that creates a mess, but getting approval from most of your players would be nice.  I don't need approval, sometimes I do things anyway, but at least I try to explain to players and get understanding.  I'm saying consider their opinion because without them you really have no server worth playing.

Honestly though, I think that if you intend to be on staff (even if you're the admin) but then you play as a normal player (assuming you're playing, and not bug testing), you're not doing your job correctly.  Being too involved with players creates problems and drama and corruption and favoritism claims.  Overall it is bad.

It doesn't matter if the rumors or claims are true or not, if the players believe they are true and are provided with the fact that staff are actively involved in playing the server normally with their friends, you get the same effect as if it was true.  People distrust your staff, people distrust you, and it is because you would rather play than improve your server.  That alone should be enough reason not to try sitting on the fence of being staff or a normal player if you care about the future of your server.
« Last Edit: Nov 10, 2008, 01:15 PM by Zairik »

Descent

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Re: Admins, GMs, etc. playing on a RO server
« Reply #52 on: Nov 10, 2008, 07:47 PM »
If a player has a problem with me playing on my server(or anybody for that matter), I challenge them to find any ounce of corruption that stems from me playing on something that I configured and constantly work on. I will gladly provide @command tables and character stats, to boot.

I shouldn't have to "find another server to play on". It's MY server, I PAY for it, therefore, I can do whatever the hell I want with it.

You're making a server for you, not what is best for your players.  You might as well local host.  I'm not saying do everything your players tell you to do, that creates a mess, but getting approval from most of your players would be nice.  I don't need approval, sometimes I do things anyway, but at least I try to explain to players and get understanding.  I'm saying consider their opinion because without them you really have no server worth playing.

Honestly though, I think that if you intend to be on staff (even if you're the admin) but then you play as a normal player (assuming you're playing, and not bug testing), you're not doing your job correctly.  Being too involved with players creates problems and drama and corruption and favoritism claims.  Overall it is bad.

It doesn't matter if the rumors or claims are true or not, if the players believe they are true and are provided with the fact that staff are actively involved in playing the server normally with their friends, you get the same effect as if it was true.  People distrust your staff, people distrust you, and it is because you would rather play than improve your server.  That alone should be enough reason not to try sitting on the fence of being staff or a normal player if you care about the future of your server.

That is, of course, your opinion, with the whole "You're not doing your job correctly". I and the rest of my staff do our job just fine, the players have always been happy, there has not been any drama regarding this.

We are both Admins with different styles. I could speak volumes about how you run ScytheRO(and the fact that I disagree with almost 90% of your opinions), and you could probably speak volumes about how I run SolsticeRO, but in the end, we are two completely different people with different opinions of RO. There is no "right" or "wrong" for any of this, which is something I have tried desperately to get people to understand here on RMS. I will however, stand by this fact:

There has not been ONE corruption report in the near year that I ran CorrosiveRO, and there will not be any in the future for SolsticeRO. You have not played my servers, I choose not to play yours, do not make assumptions about how I run mine and I won't do the same for you, Zairik.

Now, to take a line from PoisonWolf...

Cheers.
Posted on: 10-11-2008, 09:47:29
Oh, and since I'm moderated I forgot I can't edit posts until they show up. Anywho, sorry for the double post, please merge this with my previous one.

Zairik: What I meant to say with the "I'll do whatever the hell I want with it" was in regards to playing on it. I always consult my community when the potential for change can come around.

asdfqwerty123

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Re: Admins, GMs, etc. playing on a RO server
« Reply #53 on: Nov 18, 2008, 04:22 PM »
My opinion is, of course, my own.  I don't ask people to agree with it, and I don't mind if they disagree with it.  But I don't avoid stating my opinion based on who might approve of it or not.  If I mentioned anyone specific or if anyone took offense or took it personally, I don't care honestly, get thicker skin.  If that's rude, I'm quite rude, I don't have any problem with myself for it either.  If you want to stop (long term) corruption, you can, but it requires sacrifices.  To me, the respect our staff gets from it and the quality of our staff makes all the difference if we have to set hard rules like not playing legit characters.

Offline night1218

Re: Admins, GMs, etc. playing on a RO server
« Reply #54 on: Dec 20, 2008, 04:08 PM »
some GM's tend to create zeny or strong EQs for themselves..that makes me uncomfortable though

Offline Cockroach

Re: Admins, GMs, etc. playing on a RO server
« Reply #55 on: Jan 04, 2009, 11:46 PM »
disable them from being able to drop/trade/store items, and do not allow #item o.o ;p

Only thing with that is, on our server all of our GMs do events. We're required to make a post on the GM forum about it though, what items were used in the event etc.

On the server which I am Co-Admin of, GMs have no way to possible give items.
Instead we got a NPC which logs every activity and that is used to give prizes.

Offline Zone

Re: Admins, GMs, etc. playing on a RO server
« Reply #56 on: Jan 05, 2009, 12:27 AM »
Honestly though, I think that if you intend to be on staff (even if you're the admin) but then you play as a normal player (assuming you're playing, and not bug testing), you're not doing your job correctly.  Being too involved with players creates problems and drama and corruption and favoritism claims.  Overall it is bad.

It doesn't matter if the rumors or claims are true or not, if the players believe they are true and are provided with the fact that staff are actively involved in playing the server normally with their friends, you get the same effect as if it was true.  People distrust your staff, people distrust you, and it is because you would rather play than improve your server.  That alone should be enough reason not to try sitting on the fence of being staff or a normal player if you care about the future of your server.
I agree with Zairik 100% on this one.
That's something I noticed, a lot of GMs prefer to play on their GM account or mingle rather.
However, why would I need a gm to just sit around and talk with players all day?
Sure, holding events is great...in moderation. However, if you get all buddy buddy with certain users then rumors start forming.
I don't know about how much work everyone expects out of their staff, but when I am working on a server, that's it.
I don't play, I work. I'd expect my staff to be able to do their job while enjoying it, while taking time off for a dose of reality.

Offline Littlechan

Re: Admins, GMs, etc. playing on a RO server
« Reply #57 on: Jan 05, 2009, 05:17 AM »
from my experience:

you don't need to actually play on a server (as player)/ befriend with someone...to get someone say you corrupt...

seriously, I never play on my server (as a player), nor I have some close friend on my server (just some normal friend, they just talk to me if they need help, other than that, I rarely talk with them)

still, I got someone say I'm corrupted...that guy might just flaming on my forum though...because he can't show any proof :P


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Offline VinLRO

Re: Admins, GMs, etc. playing on a RO server
« Reply #58 on: Jan 15, 2009, 10:33 AM »
If you play on your own server, it's ok for most players i think. Unfortunately, there are always some, who call you corrupt even if you aren't and spread the word. Imho it's a better idea to not play on your server.

Offline Fusioneko

Re: Admins, GMs, etc. playing on a RO server
« Reply #59 on: Jan 16, 2009, 11:19 AM »
I'm hosting a server now, running one now.

Now you see, I'm an administrator. I grant everyone even the name of that 'legit' character. That character does have a single
  • slot bow, just before I added the shop npc that sells the bow. But I didn't give myself anything else. The character is used to test. Thats it. IT's used to get me the feel of being a player, see in their perspective. Playing the game out, getting the feel. It allows me to designate the problems.


But my character is legit by all standards. I enjoy playing the game as well, even if my server is currently empty, some time off is well earned, as I spend already 80% of my time managing the server it's self, server-side, and client side while handling homework and school life.