Scream Vs Frost Joke

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t2stado

i have notice that frost joke is more better than scream, like frosting an enemy rather than stunning them.. because if got froze it takes a long period of time before they can move,.. but if they are stun it takes soo little time...

how can i make the scream stun longer what stats to put

Gankz

Scream is better for WoE. If you spam it in bragi it basically disables anyone with lower than 60 vit.

For pvp frost joke won't work on anyone with a brain.

A good player will be immune to both.



Relics

Quote from: t2stado on Apr 21, 2010, 02:24 AM
how can i make the scream stun longer what stats to put
No stat affects scream stun duration

it depends on your enemies VIT, the lower their vit, the longer your stun.

fluidin

none of them are better than the other.

both are used in woe to great effect.

scream is to force players to go high vit in woe, and increase your own ad firepower effectiveness, while also disabling lower vit classes, and not allowing classes built for damage to be too rampant.

FJ is for disabling people who actually tag to GR/AR/TGK in woe. spam FJ at the same rate as scream and then even fast switchers will think twice about tagging to GR.

a way u can make ur scream stun "longer" is to improve the rate at which u can scream. get higher aspd, higher int poem/-cast delay eq, and faster fingers. that way u will be able to stun enemies for longer durations, or even stunlock some.

stun and freeze, again, are for different people in different situations. stun a GR wearer and u still can't asura-kill him. freeze him, then u can. freeze a fast potter and he will pot right back after u break the ice. stunlock him, and u can kill him.

good players will not be immune to both, because there are times u need that low vit hwiz for maximum damage output in woe, same as u need people who don't just default ED/marc, and actually tag to GR/TGK.
Quote from: Jeon on Jun 04, 2009, 12:02 PM
XileRo is the only HR I know that has a reasonable PvP system. I did watch the RWC like you said, all I see is people spamming the room like every other gang fight there is in RO.

t2stado

so this only mean that in a high rate sever with 200 max stats and almost eveyone has like 130+ vit ..
scream is useless... and frost is much more better in this case... because i play in a high rate server...

Anti-Static Foam Cleaner

And now you know why hight rates are broken.

Gankz

Quote from: fluidin on Apr 21, 2010, 03:41 AM
none of them are better than the other.

both are used in woe to great effect.

scream is to force players to go high vit in woe, and increase your own ad firepower effectiveness, while also disabling lower vit classes, and not allowing classes built for damage to be too rampant.

FJ is for disabling people who actually tag to GR/AR/TGK in woe. spam FJ at the same rate as scream and then even fast switchers will think twice about tagging to GR.

a way u can make ur scream stun "longer" is to improve the rate at which u can scream. get higher aspd, higher int poem/-cast delay eq, and faster fingers. that way u will be able to stun enemies for longer durations, or even stunlock some.

stun and freeze, again, are for different people in different situations. stun a GR wearer and u still can't asura-kill him. freeze him, then u can. freeze a fast potter and he will pot right back after u break the ice. stunlock him, and u can kill him.

good players will not be immune to both, because there are times u need that low vit hwiz for maximum damage output in woe, same as u need people who don't just default ED/marc, and actually tag to GR/TGK.
Your point becomes moot when you introduce equip-side stun immunity with a dark bashillum + valk armor/BG set

I know high wizards that are pure dps, have 1 vit, and are immune to both.



Mathy

Yup. Orc Hero card will make you immune to stun, while ED and Marc (Seahorse) will prevent you from freezing.
However, ED/Marc are very easy to obtain, while OH is a highly disputed MvP. So in WoE, Scream is more better [sic] than Frost Joker.

Gankz

#8
Quote from: Mathy on May 12, 2010, 12:55 PM
Yup. Orc Hero card will make you immune to stun, while ED and Marc (Seahorse) will prevent you from freezing.
However, ED/Marc are very easy to obtain, while OH is a highly disputed MvP. So in WoE, Scream is more better [sic] than Frost Joker.
No, like I just said, you can get stun immunity without an mvp card.

For Thiefs/Merchants/Swordsman, you get a +5 dark bashillum (30% stun resist) with a stalactic golem card (30% resist), and a valk armor (50% resist). Add them all up and you have complete 100% stun resist without any vit, or an mvp card.

After that, I think only mages can get sun resist by using the same +5 dark bashillum, flame skull in shield, and BG set.

So really, only archers and acolytes are susceptible to scream in the slightest.



ore0s

You never could have stunned any competent Swordsman/Thief/Merchant class in WoE anyways I thought O_o.  Almost all of them have enough VIT/item to stand stun.  Check out WPEs forum and you'll see some great guides.

The scream is for Mages/Archers/rest of the classes to stop precast.  And it's impossible to get 100% resist without OH card on these class unless you want to waste all your points into VIT.  Probably the highest resist you will get is the following items with consideration of effectiveness in WoE;

Dark Bacilium - 20%
Dark Blinder - 2%
Flame Skull - 30% <---this goes in shield, so kind of reverse thinking.
Stalactic Golem Card - 20%
Warlock's Battle Robe - 20%

Highest you'll want is 60% from items and if you had 80 VIT that will add up to about 92% stun resist.  Even if you threw Flame Skull in there, you still would need some VIT to make it 100%.  Unless I'm missing something here...

fluidin

/facepalm

did u not read what i said?

good players HAVE to switch armors at certain times, so under a 24/7 FJ/scream spamfest, u are not going to be entirely immune to FJ/scream. Unless u default ed/marc AT ALL TIMES, and have 100 vit. Which is fine if you build works well with that kind of vit, and u dont have access to gr/tgk/etc, but that's a moot point.

and yes, u do get stun-immune on hwiz w/o OH card, but flame skull shield isn't the best of gears for mxm dmg output, nor surviving stuff when you're rushing.

+5dark bac w/ stac golem - 50%
flame skull - 30%
bg gear - 20%

yes, the classes that get 50% stun res with valk armor are practically guaranteed to withstand stun either because their builds work well with vit, or due to item res.

and i know all about eq side stun immunity -.- i was one of the players to have been doubted at for using flame skull + valk armor + stac golem for s/t/m classes when nameless was first introduced. my 1vit stun-immune high aspd biochem rectified that.
Quote from: Jeon on Jun 04, 2009, 12:02 PM
XileRo is the only HR I know that has a reasonable PvP system. I did watch the RWC like you said, all I see is people spamming the room like every other gang fight there is in RO.

Anti-Static Foam Cleaner

Uh yeah with 1 VIT you can still be stun immune if you sacrifice everything else which is usually not the way to do it. Besides with 1VIT just about anyone will one-shot you and you'll just waste guild supplies(pots). 1VIT builds in WoE are f*** stupid.

Sarin

THOSE people are under 24/7 devo. It ain't so stupid.

ore0s

Quote from: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on May 13, 2010, 01:10 AM
Uh yeah with 1 VIT you can still be stun immune if you sacrifice everything else which is usually not the way to do it. Besides with 1VIT just about anyone will one-shot you and you'll just waste guild supplies(pots). 1VIT builds in WoE are f*** stupid.
Quote from: ore0s on May 12, 2010, 03:32 PM
Probably the highest resist you will get is the following items with consideration of effectiveness in WoE;

Dark Bacilium - 20%
Dark Blinder - 2%
Flame Skull - 30% <---this goes in shield, so kind of reverse thinking.
Stalactic Golem Card - 20%
Warlock's Battle Robe - 20%

Exactly.

Quote from: Sarin on May 13, 2010, 05:41 AM
THOSE people are under 24/7 devo. It ain't so stupid.

I dunno bro...sacrificing Thara Frog (30% resist from demi) and Poop Hat (10% resist from demi) is just asking for a 30k Sonic Blow from a SinX in WoE...Unless they're Assumptio then that's a different story bro.

Having stun resist on your precasters might be effective on a 50 population server, but try playing a 500 population server where you'll die instantly without any VIT and demi resist.

fluidin

if u had played on iRO valkyrie server during its heydays, high vit w/o gr would have gotten u imploded as soon as u pushed up into the range of illegit/valkyrie's stringed ab biochems. and thats a > 500 server population server. actually, if u play on ANY high pop server which prides itself on having high tier woes, you'll find 1vit has its place, and a permanent one at that.

if u play high tier woe, 1vit isn't so stupid. u tend to be devoted 24/7, and enemies who can 1shot u generally don't find it easy to get close to u (guild pack). and u will find u can survive stringed AB.

also, if ur geared well, it's highly doubtful you'll be receiving 30k SBs, btw. especially as a hwiz w/ energy coat. and if you're an S/T/M class, u won't even need the flame skull, and can continue wearing cranial. sinxs can get 10k+hp with 1-low vit, btw.
Quote from: Jeon on Jun 04, 2009, 12:02 PM
XileRo is the only HR I know that has a reasonable PvP system. I did watch the RWC like you said, all I see is people spamming the room like every other gang fight there is in RO.

ore0s

Quote from: fluidin on May 13, 2010, 07:59 AM
if u play high tier woe, 1vit isn't so stupid. u tend to be devoted 24/7, and enemies who can 1shot u generally don't find it easy to get close to u (guild pack). and u will find u can survive stringed AB.
You act like in higher tier WoE the only good players are the wizard and paladin.  And if you want to throw in the devotion paladin, I'm throwing in the support prof.

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also, if ur geared well, it's highly doubtful you'll be receiving 30k SBs, btw. especially as a hwiz w/ energy coat. and if you're an S/T/M class, u won't even need the flame skull, and can continue wearing cranial.
Clearly exaggerated on the 30k SB.  Let's put it this way, a fully geared SinX with buffs SBing a fully geared High Wizard who's devoted and buffed will make the paladin take a lot of damage.  And why would a Swordsman/Thief/Merchant class wear flame skull to begin with?  Valkyrie's Armor already give 50% + most of them have 80+ Vit giving them 90% stun resist.  They're not precasting, so getting stunned for .0000543 is fine.

Quotesinxs can get 10k+hp with 1-low vit, btw.
Nobody ever doubted this O_o.

Then again, I'm just bullsh1tting all of this.

Anti-Static Foam Cleaner

Quote from: Sarin on May 13, 2010, 05:41 AM
THOSE people are under 24/7 devo. It ain't so stupid.

So they take two guild slots just to be as good as everyone else? Brilliant.

fluidin

#17
as good as everyone else?

....

1vit does free up a lot of stat points, if you haven't noticed. you would be able to go for maximum damage output as 1vit, and the difference can be huge. also, there shld already be devo paladins in ur guild anyway?

@oreo,

firstly, i don't get ur first sentence. how do i act like the only good players are wiz and pala? what do u mean by throwing in the support prof? dispelling devo? or ME-ing? if dispelling, good palas shld be able to refresh devo fast. ME-ing? ganban. in high tier woe it's a 2 way spam on both sides.

i highly doubt ur hwiz should be getting SB-ed -_- IF it is getting SB-ed (in ur guild pack, no less), it shld be in ur guild's interest to be screaming on vent and getting rid of the sinx str8away.

about the 10khp and not needing flame skull comment, my point is, survivability isn't as low as some ppl might think it is for the 1vit classes.
Quote from: Jeon on Jun 04, 2009, 12:02 PM
XileRo is the only HR I know that has a reasonable PvP system. I did watch the RWC like you said, all I see is people spamming the room like every other gang fight there is in RO.

Anti-Static Foam Cleaner

Quote from: fluidin on May 13, 2010, 08:56 AM
1vit does free up a lot of stat points, if you haven't noticed. you would be able to go for maximum damage output as 1vit, and the difference can be huge.

a) the higher the stat, the more expensive in stat points it is. You could get ~40VIT just by going down from 99 to 91 of STR for example. That's 40% more HP, 40% resist and 40% better potting efficiency
b) The difference between 99 and 91 isn't as huge as you make it out to be, and it can be "corrected" by equips/foods
c) It is pointless to get more attack than it's needed to drop a no-GR LK and it can definitely be done without wasting tons of points on 99ing everything.

fluidin

#19
mm. i'm kinda lazy to explain right now. crank some numbers on calcx.wushuang and u will understand better, perhaps.

eg, vit biochem should reasonably only get perhaps 80 vit max in woe, while already sacrificing much dps. and they still dont get stun immunity. a decent alliance with stringed dazzlers will still stun an 80vit build enough for it to be more than annoying. a 99-99-25 build, with 190aspd is a hell lot of dps more than what a vit biochem can achieve. from 2 ab/s to perhaps 4 ab/s.

a) thats efficiency you dont need, not when ur devoted. and 40% res? u mean stun res perhaps? dark bac + VA gives u 100% anw, which was previously mentioned. and its +80% potting efficiency. also note that having 1vit means u will actually be allowing ur devoter to tank much better when you're targeted by stringed AB.
b) ? people do go for maximum dmg output for a reason. 'correcting' stats with eq/food is a moot point. u could add those to ur already high stats to boost them even higher. and i could use ur point A to argue this, lol. +10 food is much more stat-efficient at 120 str, then say, 100 str.
c)this point doesnt make sense, lol. 1vit differs in value across all different classes, and in some cases, variations of class roles. dark bac combo, for one, is mostly used on 2 classes, if it wasn't just used as a general stun res headgear (hwiz).

-agi sinx
-agi biochem

both benefit from DPS, namely grimtooth DPS and AB DPS, which means dropping enemies faster. i dont rly see whr ur no-GR LK argument comes into this.


and i really do have to make this clear. one of the biggest advantages to being 1vit is the ability to tank stringed AB, which is practically impossible at mid-high vit w/o gr. i'm fairly certain most ppl on this forum haven't encountered enemies which use 5 or more stringed biochems with NO regard for saving supplies. u rly need to experience it to understand how fearsome it is.
Quote from: Jeon on Jun 04, 2009, 12:02 PM
XileRo is the only HR I know that has a reasonable PvP system. I did watch the RWC like you said, all I see is people spamming the room like every other gang fight there is in RO.

chryses

Scream is very effective WoE/PvP wise, as many wear Unfrozen/ED then again some have higher VIT to counter the stun effect of Scream, but really. 1 second of being Stun makes a huge difference.

Mathy

#21
People will be wearing GR when they are about to get hit by Asura.
Know that and use Frost Joke as soon as your guild champion's punch is charged.

mahawirasd

basically what mathy said...
most ppl who goes to WOE knows that they need vit for survivability, meaning more stun resists and less stun duration...

they also know that SG and FJ can kill them, so they must tag ED or MARC.

BUT with FJ spam being there, you can really weed out those who are wearing and those who don't, meaning your guild mates can then focus on those who are wearing ED and MARC which means no GR which means prime targets for AD and asura. And the second those ppl decide to tag GR, they get frozen as long as you spam FJ enough and get lucky enough...

so overall i would say that gravity gimped dancers and they made bards more useful in general...


-w-

kamikozave

Quote from: Gankz on May 12, 2010, 01:02 PM
Quote from: Mathy on May 12, 2010, 12:55 PM
Yup. Orc Hero card will make you immune to stun, while ED and Marc (Seahorse) will prevent you from freezing.
However, ED/Marc are very easy to obtain, while OH is a highly disputed MvP. So in WoE, Scream is more better [sic] than Frost Joker.
No, like I just said, you can get stun immunity without an mvp card.

For Thiefs/Merchants/Swordsman, you get a +5 dark bashillum (30% stun resist) with a stalactic golem card (30% resist), and a valk armor (50% resist). Add them all up and you have complete 100% stun resist without any vit, or an mvp card.

After that, I think only mages can get sun resist by using the same +5 dark bashillum, flame skull in shield, and BG set.

So really, only archers and acolytes are susceptible to scream in the slightest.



immunity is different from resist.. /no1

even if you have 100% resist.. you will be stun..

tried and tested..

Gankz

Quote from: kamikozave on May 26, 2010, 01:12 AM
Quote from: Gankz on May 12, 2010, 01:02 PM
Quote from: Mathy on May 12, 2010, 12:55 PM
Yup. Orc Hero card will make you immune to stun, while ED and Marc (Seahorse) will prevent you from freezing.
However, ED/Marc are very easy to obtain, while OH is a highly disputed MvP. So in WoE, Scream is more better [sic] than Frost Joker.
No, like I just said, you can get stun immunity without an mvp card.

For Thiefs/Merchants/Swordsman, you get a +5 dark bashillum (30% stun resist) with a stalactic golem card (30% resist), and a valk armor (50% resist). Add them all up and you have complete 100% stun resist without any vit, or an mvp card.

After that, I think only mages can get sun resist by using the same +5 dark bashillum, flame skull in shield, and BG set.

So really, only archers and acolytes are susceptible to scream in the slightest.



immunity is different from resist.. /no1

even if you have 100% resist.. you will be stun..

tried and tested..
You did it wrong then, because 100% resist means -100% resist-

Also, it seems none of you have played SE on a decent WoE server =|



kamikozave

#25
@^


try it, then tell us the result.. /no1

currently i'm playing with a Second Edition Server for almost 2years.. /no1

by the way... you cannot be frozen or stun if you use Orc Hero card and Evil Druid or Marc Card.. /no1
thats the way to be immune to those status.

fluidin

#26
+5dark bac w/ stac golem + valk armor on swordsman/thief/merch classes, 100% stun resist. go try it. if u are still getting stunned, it means ur server is bugged.

i will say it again, thr is no better skill in this case. both are needed for woe. wtf.



@gankz. what bs. and u have? cmon then, link me a vid of ur server's woe.


i will reiterate some of my debunking of ur previous points, btw.

I know high wizards that are pure dps, have 1 vit, and are immune to both. - flame skull+dark bac =/= pure dps.
http://ropd.info/?name=squirrel+wizard&guild=&class=&level=&l1=&l2=&sort=level&dir=asc&s=4 look at the 2nd wiz's eqs. that's more dps than ur "pure dps" wizard. no wiz going dps will do flameskull, ffs.

So really, only archers and acolytes are susceptible to scream in the slightest. -  wtf. even 80 vit valkarmor sinxs can stun if the dazzler is decent enough. i doubt u have faced alliances with more than 2 competent dazzlers. add ganban'd MS and 80vit is going to be a far cry from immunity. even 90vits find good gypsies annoying.
Quote from: Jeon on Jun 04, 2009, 12:02 PM
XileRo is the only HR I know that has a reasonable PvP system. I did watch the RWC like you said, all I see is people spamming the room like every other gang fight there is in RO.

kamikozave


stun immunity = Total Vit of 100...

for me its better to use Frost Joke.. /no1

Relics

#28
Quote from: kamikozave on May 26, 2010, 04:35 AM

stun immunity = Total Vit of 100...

for me its better to use Frost Joke.. /no1

Even if you have 1 vit, you can still be stun immune with the gears fluidin said.
So what you said was wrong, if you have 100% resist with anti stun gear, then you're stun resist.. unless the server you're playing on has things switched but officially it should work that way.

Also Stun immunity ≥ 97 vit.

kamikozave

Quote from: Relics on May 26, 2010, 04:52 AM
Quote from: kamikozave on May 26, 2010, 04:35 AM

stun immunity = Total Vit of 100...

for me its better to use Frost Joke.. /no1

Even if you have 1 vit, you can still be stun immune with the gears fluidin said.
So what you said was wrong, if you have 100% resist with anti stun gear, then you're stun resist.. unless the server you're playing on has things switched but officially it should work that way.

Also Stun immunity ≥ 97 vit.

of course, even if you have 1 vit.. you can be immune to stun if you equipped yourself with a Orc Hero..

on my previous post, i mentioned that Immunity is different from Resist.. /no1

i'm just saying that even if you have 100% resist.. still,its possible that you will be stun/frozen..

try it in Storm Gust.. make yourself 100% resist.. you'll find the answer.. /no1

Relics

Quote from: kamikozave on May 26, 2010, 07:05 AM
Quote from: Relics on May 26, 2010, 04:52 AM
Quote from: kamikozave on May 26, 2010, 04:35 AM

stun immunity = Total Vit of 100...

for me its better to use Frost Joke.. /no1

Even if you have 1 vit, you can still be stun immune with the gears fluidin said.
So what you said was wrong, if you have 100% resist with anti stun gear, then you're stun resist.. unless the server you're playing on has things switched but officially it should work that way.

Also Stun immunity ≥ 97 vit.

of course, even if you have 1 vit.. you can be immune to stun if you equipped yourself with a Orc Hero..

on my previous post, i mentioned that Immunity is different from Resist.. /no1

i'm just saying that even if you have 100% resist.. still,its possible that you will be stun/frozen..

try it in Storm Gust.. make yourself 100% resist.. you'll find the answer.. /no1


For the sake of experiment, clown is using:
Sunglasses[1] with 1 Megalodon (Atomic)
Knife [4] with 4 megalodon's
Cotton shirts with RSX
0 MDEF
1 LUK

1 Megalodon = 20% Resistance to freeze, 5 would be 100%
I'm not freezing on storm gust.. so you see, you're wrong, the same counts for stun btw and any other status.



Mathy

#31
Quote from: Relics on May 26, 2010, 04:52 AM
Quote from: kamikozave on May 26, 2010, 04:35 AM

stun immunity = Total Vit of 100...

for me its better to use Frost Joke.. /no1

Even if you have 1 vit, you can still be stun immune with the gears fluidin said.
So what you said was wrong, if you have 100% resist with anti stun gear, then you're stun resist.. unless the server you're playing on has things switched but officially it should work that way.

Also Stun immunity ≥ 97 vit.
Some people say the formula is 100-[3+vit+luk/3], which would make your "97 vit=stun immunity" right. However, it seems that the formula is wrong, and you need exactly 100 vit for the stun immunity. This is supported by an official RO guide that mentioned "1 luk=1/5 in stun resistance".
Oh, but most people believe that 97=immunity. Could be iRO vs kRO or old vs current changes, IDK.

Relics

#32
Yeah, there's a lot of 'confusion' going on I guess .. on that part.

But honestly, I've tested this on several occasions on several different eAthena SVN versions, and they all stun immune at base 97 vit.

tested this by doing..
WPE'd hammer falls @ 195 ASPD at someone with variable VIT, turn sound effects on and you can hear if they stun or not.

I'm not sure about officials.. I'd really want an AEGIS test server but yeah, not free at all haha.

edit:
Leet postcount, lolwut.

fluidin

eA's is 97, but it's definitely 100vit for offics.

i've seen proof that debunked 97vit being stun immunity on irowiki. doddler debunked it iirc.
Quote from: Jeon on Jun 04, 2009, 12:02 PM
XileRo is the only HR I know that has a reasonable PvP system. I did watch the RWC like you said, all I see is people spamming the room like every other gang fight there is in RO.

roiz

People here need more SE WoE experience.

1 vit AD/HW being useless/killable at woe? WTF, have you ever played a decent guild where you play LP vs LP and anyone that tries to go into the no-man's land gets dispelled/AD/killed.

try going Chronos RO, The Fifth Element RO, Brasil RO, where some of the biggest PRIVATE server guilds play (Sinergy, Worst Player Ever, rocket!, unfaithful) and go tell them in their forums how bad their DPS HW (yes, because 1 vit HW IS DPS build, not Storm Gust, but Meteor Storm stack with salamander card) and their AD Chem (1 vit, 186 aspd, res to water and NO Ed card) are useless.

Srsly, if you are going to argue for a point, atleast have enough experience on the subject, because bullshlting about something is wrong, when you just don't know about it, makes you look as a bad player, a REALLY bad player.

Anti-Static Foam Cleaner

Quote from: roiz on May 27, 2010, 06:28 PM
People here need more SE WoE experience. (...) pinoy mr/hr pservers (...) Srsly, if you are going to argue for a point, atleast have enough experience on the subject, because bullshlting about something is wrong, when you just don't know about it, makes you look as a bad player, a REALLY bad player.

irony of the month award

fluidin

#36
sinergy, WPE and such are definitely not pinoy mr/hr server guilds.

some of the servers they've been in, RWC candidates have played. and faced equal comp.

illustration purposes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaqhUtrpd1g

o and a video showing why there should be more dps biochems and hwizs, as well as showcasing a good dazzler
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAliSiOLj-E


btw, dun belittle some pinoy guilds. 2 pinoy teams did win 2nd and 4th at RWC '09 after all.
Quote from: Jeon on Jun 04, 2009, 12:02 PM
XileRo is the only HR I know that has a reasonable PvP system. I did watch the RWC like you said, all I see is people spamming the room like every other gang fight there is in RO.

roiz

#37
Quote from: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on May 28, 2010, 01:04 AM
Quote from: roiz on May 27, 2010, 06:28 PM
People here need more SE WoE experience. (...) pinoy mr/hr pservers (...) Srsly, if you are going to argue for a point, atleast have enough experience on the subject, because bullshlting about something is wrong, when you just don't know about it, makes you look as a bad player, a REALLY bad player.

QQ

Less QQ more Pew Pew

The fact that you do not know decent private server/guilds doesn't make your point valid.

In fact, even on eRo v3 there were 1 vit dps chems/HW.

Go do some research and then try to troll.

Fail Troll is Fail.

Anti-Static Foam Cleaner

^ give up bro

Quote from: fluidin on May 28, 2010, 01:16 AM
sinergy, WPE and such are definitely not pinoy mr/hr server guilds.

some of the servers they've been in, RWC candidates have played. and faced equal comp.

RWC has very little to do with normal WoE.

fluidin

true that, but rwc candidates are always one of the best of their servers in normal woe. no coincidence, lol.

mmm... i would say sin & wpe play pretty high tier woe tho. and did pretty well from what ive seen
Quote from: Jeon on Jun 04, 2009, 12:02 PM
XileRo is the only HR I know that has a reasonable PvP system. I did watch the RWC like you said, all I see is people spamming the room like every other gang fight there is in RO.