Ministrel & Gypsy

[Xeighter]

Al'right, I made a topic earlier about these guys, but I never got quite the answers I want.

Well, I wanted to make a PVP build with these guys, a friend will be a gypsy and I will be a bard/ministrel whatever.

What kind of equips are we talking here? Think of your best gear and cards :3

Uh... server stats: 255/120, 196 ASPD, 255 max stat.
Did I miss anything?

Please be precise, I don't know much about ranged-classes besides that they use dex.

Headgear cards (Max 4-5)
Armor + Card:
Weapon + 4 Cards:
Garment + Card (I have a Sin X card~):
Shoes + Card:
Accessories + Card:

Thanks guys

[Sarin]

Hm. While not sure about exact stats, one thing you should use to your advantage is their melee power. While it is not so visible at lowrate, they can get very high hitting power at melee attack, because extrememly high dex, thanks to IC. Because whips/instruments use dex for ATK like bows, while they are melee weapons. Bragi'd tarot card is fearsome weapon too. Use these things to your advantage, I'd suggest combining quickamped songs and dances to manipulate your enemy.

Look, nobody will tell you exact builds. But me, and other people will give you a lot of hints and advices. Use your brain, and you should do fine.

[Xeighter]

It's fine, I'm not exactly looking for stat-builds, but I didn't want the obvious stuff resaid like: Dex because they use bows or Agi for ASPD, I already know that sort of thing.

But for equips, I have no clue. Sniper suit? Valk armor? tights? What? I was hoping for a hell more specifications on that part.

[Sarin]

The problem is that to help you I lack data. What kind of build, etc. Besides, if you bothered to use that grey matter behid your eyes, you'd most probably get the answer faster and better than anything you can get here. From my short experience with highrates long time ago I know that builds are VERY specific to server.

Just do what I do about equip. Set priorities and go by them.

[Xeighter]

Set priorities?

If you sincerely can't answer or give me more of a direction in my questions, then please go elsewhere. I've read some of the RO writings, but they do not fit the criteria of my server. I've searched and figured what I can find, however if I can get more of an answer in a reliable place [or so it appeared], then I figured I'd ask.

If I'm going to be criticized while also offering more information than some of these other topics, then I've expected too much from this place.

[Chimichanga]

Kiel cards x 3 or 4 or 5? Vulcan Arrow has a ridiculously bad cast delay and makes it unspammable. +10 violin with 2 hydras and 2 tgs....or 2tgs, one hydra and one thanatos. I'd try to go valkyrie set with... 2 zerom gloves? angeling and ghostring for armor, deviling or noxious (not sure what's good anymore)

[Sarin]

You won't put AV delay much down due to ridiculously long animation. Delay reductions have reason when you want to spam Tarot without bragi. This is especially effective with Gypsy, when you use Slow Grace-quickamp-Tarot-Slow Grace...to keep melee chars off you.

Cards: angeling+GR? You are suggesting two cards that change element of armor, so unless the server has custom way how to deal with that like MouRO, only one of them will take effect. I would suggest either ED, angeling or GR in one, depends on how good are people there with statuses. The second slot would be either Marc if you need freeze protection or Demnon Pungus if you are using ED.
Valkyrie set isn't good anymore, wool scarf+tidals and Valk armor are better than whole set. Accessories...hmm, zerom cards only if you need them to hit next tier on damage, otherwise protection stuff...and accessories, if you want to use melee often, use thorn shield+horn of buffallo, otherwise go for orleans gloves. Second accessory if you will be using melee should be, if server has episode 12, cursed hand [1], very underestimated piece of equip.

Xeighter: in my RO experience I learned that if you just let others line you up with exact build, you'll be average at best. To be good, you gotta use your brain. What category are you in?

[Omi]

max int/dex and rest in vit, unless you plan on using double strafe with their huge sp pool

equipment wise..

Headgear cards - feather beret for a head gear / racial headgears, whatever cards in mid - lower.  you don't need 5 headgear card slots, or any cards in head gear for these classes.   cards aren't better than gear just to let you know
Armor + Card -  + 6 Odins / Valk armor + Gloom Under Night
Weapon + 4 Cards - + 8 or higher queens whips / +8 orential lutes and 2 racial cards in them, switch between them
Garment + Card (I have a Sin X card~): sin x is useless, k.   get elemental resistance cards or a raydric card in a + 7 wool scarf
Shoes + Card - +7 or higher tidal shoes with a green ferus card or verit card
Accessories + Card - nimble orlean gloves or horn of buffalo if you're going to use a thorn shield
Shields - Racial card, valkyrie shield / thorn shield / stone buckler if you want to go magni / odins / stone for the defense

get a linker to link you so you can song buff yourself so you can spam av and have rediculously high hp / low sp cost

by the way the reason people are being annoyed with you is because 167 of your posts are in THIS section alone asking for advice and you are to lazy to look at guides and take them and adjust them to meet your servers needs (99 dex 99 int build makes me assume i should go for max int and dex) rather than saying they aren't suited for you

and what sarin said, if you keep asking people for advice you'll never be more than average at RO.

[Xeighter]

You won't put AV delay much down due to ridiculously long animation. Delay reductions have reason when you want to spam Tarot without bragi. This is especially effective with Gypsy, when you use Slow Grace-quickamp-Tarot-Slow Grace...to keep melee chars off you.

Cards: angeling+GR? You are suggesting two cards that change element of armor, so unless the server has custom way how to deal with that like MouRO, only one of them will take effect. I would suggest either ED, angeling or GR in one, depends on how good are people there with statuses. The second slot would be either Marc if you need freeze protection or Demnon Pungus if you are using ED.
Valkyrie set isn't good anymore, wool scarf+tidals and Valk armor are better than whole set. Accessories...hmm, zerom cards only if you need them to hit next tier on damage, otherwise protection stuff...and accessories, if you want to use melee often, use thorn shield+horn of buffallo, otherwise go for orleans gloves. Second accessory if you will be using melee should be, if server has episode 12, cursed hand [1], very underestimated piece of equip.

Xeighter: in my RO experience I learned that if you just let others line you up with exact build, you'll be average at best. To be good, you gotta use your brain. What category are you in?

I'll accept average, I'm not looking to be the best.

So... no kiel?

I never understood the use of cursed hands, what's the critical wounds do?
Want about the bow guardian sniper suit thing?

Sir Schmoopy: why Gloom? I'm not going to break emp.
And it's either going to be me or someone else asking these questions without searching or looking up guides [I have read a few guides in actuality.] I don't really see the gain of slapping my wrist because I'm just as ignorant as others.

[Omi]

emperium isn't the only holy monster in the world

gloom also helps against other elements

[Xeighter]

emperium isn't the only holy monster in the world

gloom also helps against other elements

Shadow property as well.
What armor gives shadow property?

[Omi]

bathory card, evil druid card

[bleu]

What armor gives shadow property?

Do u mean what card gives Shadow Property for armor? If yes, then Bathory card.

I never understood the use of cursed hands, what's the critical wounds do?
Want about the bow guardian sniper suit thing?

Sniper Suit is irrelevant. Minstrel and Gypsy could not wear them.

Critical Wound reduce the effectiveness of heal/sanctuary/aid potion/use of healing item (potions, meat, etc..) for 30 seconds. A Level 1 Critical Wound reduces heal and other heal related skills/items mentioned above by 20%. There is no effective way to cure and be resistant to Critical Wound. However, you can FLEE it in the case of Anubis. It's a melee attack. Not 100% certain, how Critical Wound works in the context of Cursed Hand? There are a few other ways to counter it. But only normally used when killing monsters like Beelzebub.

[Xeighter]

What armor gives shadow property?

Do u mean what card gives Shadow Property for armor? If yes, then Bathory card.

I never understood the use of cursed hands, what's the critical wounds do?
Want about the bow guardian sniper suit thing?

Sniper Suit is irrelevant. Minstrel and Gypsy could not wear them.

Critical Wound reduce the effectiveness of heal/sanctuary/aid potion/use of healing item (potions, meat, etc..) for 30 seconds. A Level 1 Critical Wound reduces heal and other heal related skills/items mentioned above by 20%. There is no effective way to cure and be resistant to Critical Wound. However, you can FLEE it in the case of Anubis. It's a melee attack. Not 100% certain, how Critical Wound works in the context of Cursed Hand? There are a few other ways to counter it. But only normally used when killing monsters like Beelzebub.

Yeah, I did mean that, sorry.
Bathory, eh? What does a shadow armor make you immune to? What does it make you weak against?

Oh :x Well, guess I won't need those.

Sounds pointless. In MR/HR, most users don't bother with potions (and berries are banned). It may be good for WOE, but this is a PVP Minstrel/ Dancer.

[bleu]

Bathory, eh? What does a shadow armor make you immune to? What does it make you weak against?

http://irowiki.org/wiki/Shadow


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