Asura Strike

[Sarin]

I wanted the two skills to just have like 2-3 elements so people can switch armor and such. Poses much more of a challenge.

Try having them be a combo monk instead of an TSS or Asura whore.

I've been thinking about combo monk once, and I believe that its greatest problem is actually not the high Asura/TSS damage, but the fact that they just don't have enough skillpoints to get anything but combos.

[ardee15]

if the asura can change it's element. then the champion will the gods of ragnarok... then can 1 hit everyone..

[Majinken Souga]

The only things that can stop a Champion if that's the case are..

1. Status effects
2. SP draining
3. Damage reflect

Of course, Shuras are a whole different can of worms...

[Relics]

The only things that can stop a Champion if that's the case are..

1. Status effects
2. SP draining
3. Damage reflect

Of course, Shuras are a whole different can of worms...

4. hide

[fluidin]

not really, no.

1. champs these days get ungodly amounts of vit. sleep might still pose a problem, but there are various stuff that easily solves it

2. berry

3. yes, but lol dispel.

4. not with the cast time champs have nowadays. 99dex champs can actually be considered woe-built champs on officials already, thanks to BG gear and diab/nydhorg stuff giving asura a lot more dmg. and it totally isn't consistently reasonable to be dodging asuras with higher than 120 dex in woe, thanks to how hectic woe is.

5. dispel and sw, yes. maybe web.

and ya lol shura -_- don't even wanna go there

[mahawirasd]

skill point limitations for combo monks/champs is not so much an issue imho;
1. you only need to max the last combo skill you will use most -> as it is easy to see how big a diminishing return you get for getting more levels on your combo skills... jeez even TKs get SP discount for every level of their kicks...
2. stat points limitation (paired with consumables availability) make designing (and playing) a proper combo monk/champ somewhat more challenging
3. TSS is crap for a combo monk. A proper combo build out DPS-es TSS any day. What you need to complement your combo monk is INVESTIGATE. Why? because you get the best of both worlds. TSS and combos both deal with low def enemies, investigate works with high def enemies. TSS takes a long time to cast, combo deals damage somewhat faster and cheaper (SP-wise)...

IMHO combo monks are the hardest class to design properly (stat-wise) because they are mediocre (or even bad) in aspd/DPS, hp modifier, sp modifier, skill SP costs, and flee...
you don't get so much HP for every vit you put in, same goes for SP and int... yet you need a bit of both because your HP sucks, you can't rely so much on flee compared to thieves, you need SP because of the SP costs and your SP modifier sucks... oh and getting INT helps your heal...
then you need agi, but not so much because you have to invest on other stats. And getting very high agi is (at least imho) a poor idea because other melee classes can easily out-aspd and out-DPS you...
you need dex, not for TSS, but for HIT, aspd (somewhat), and to cast investigate and spirit spheres as well as all the buffs you need to keep up anddd SPIRIT ABSORPTION!!!!

in the end, be it TSS, or Asura, or combo, or whatever, monks are not really meant to party. Sure they fill a niche on mvp/high end runs, but they are easily replaceable for less consumable-intensive classes...

and really the thing about combo monks is: FUN!
the only class/specific build (and a very limited/exclusive/painful one to get) that can beat/compare with the fun of a combo monk is a kick-chaining TK ranker... but even then as a monk you can last longer in high def places than a TK ranker making you a jack of all trades, all-roaming solo character...


-w-

[Relics]

4. not with the cast time champs have nowadays. 99dex champs can actually be considered woe-built champs on officials already, thanks to BG gear and diab/nydhorg stuff giving asura a lot more dmg. and it totally isn't consistently reasonable to be dodging asuras with higher than 120 dex in woe, thanks to how hectic woe is.

you have not seen my friend play hpriest

;(((((

[Majinken Souga]

How the heck would a champion use dispell without Randgris? I was talking about 1 vs 1. On a mid rate and higher, Randgris cards would make an appearance, certainly, but on a low rate, basically almost nobody would have any MVP cards, much less one like Randgris.

As for hiding, yes, that is an effective tactic, but if the champions are smart, they'll get a Beholder card. Cancelled Asura -> Ruwach -> other things. Of course, Rachel Sanctuary would have to be open first. This is, of course, assuming you're on a server without instant cast/a low rate. If you have instant cast, the Beholder card is pretty much useless.

[CookieEater]

making you a jack of all trades, all-roaming solo character...

So... basically what I always do

[fluidin]

you have not seen my friend play hpriest

;(((((

ya i know up to 140+ dex asuras are still hidable, even hiding asuras when ruwached, but i said consistently reasonable, meaning generally. 99% of ro players are baddies, you dont expect them to hide dodge every asura ya?

ps: 140+dex asuras are generally NOT hidable, unless u got a really good connection and server-side customised minimum skill-delay, prolly.